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dretceterini
06-22-2002, 05:17 AM
I was wing cars and "pro" racing that F'ed up slots. Costs got WAY out of hand.

Like with 1/1 car racing, there needs to be sets of rules put into place that DO NOT CHANGE and people who try to break them should get a swift kick in the ***.

Even if there WERE a firm set of rules, wing cars (pro and even group 27) were/are WAY to expense for the vast majority of guys... and blowing up 3 motors at $200 each trying to win a meeting certainly didn't help keep the slot business going or people interested.

It is stuff like the "new" Scalectric and Fly that have started the "revival"; not this high buck wingie pro ****!!

SCALE cars forever; thingies NEVER!!!


Stu Schaller
Former Head of the Strombecker Team
1964-1968

Tropi
06-22-2002, 05:28 AM
I ALMOST totally agree! :)
We can get into extremes of "scale" too and that is in many ways just as bad.
The great difficulty in everything is trying to decide what is "reasonable" and trying to avoid extremes.
I wish I knew the answers! :confused:

dretceterini
06-22-2002, 06:24 AM
you mean you are not one of the "slot Gods" that DOES think they have all the answers to what works, the nature of the universe, or what is "God" itself? How refreshing!!!

Stu

Tropi
06-22-2002, 08:49 AM
"you mean you are not one of the "slot Gods" that DOES think they have all the answers to what works, the nature of the universe, or what is "God" itself? How refreshing!!!

Of course I am!
Just practising this strange concept of 'modesty' so I can occasionally visit the earth and chat with you human beings!
http://www.grokster.com/dcforum/User_files/3d13511a4c1464f9.gif

dretceterini
06-22-2002, 09:39 AM
I can get away with it as I'm really Swiss...I was born in Geneva in 1947...

Being a typical western European socialist, you probibly think you are God...

My politics are not QUITE as extreme a PdL who is to the right of Attilla the Hun......I'm a libertarian..

Stu

Tropi
06-22-2002, 10:19 AM
Not socialist, certainly not typical (what an insult!) and I like PdL a lot.
Anyone with a wicked sense of humour is more than ok in my book.
I can see you two have much in common. http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif

Timewarped
06-22-2002, 11:32 AM
Tropi, you are right. Someone with PDL's sardonic viewpoint can't be ALL bad - just a little skewed. (Hmm...he's in France racing vintage slot cars, watching Le Mans, and scarfing down vintage 'folly puisse' and I'm in Maine, watching it rain. maybe he's not so skewed after all...)
But as to this issue of "Slot Gods" and politics; aren't all Gods far right wingers by definition? Or perhaps even a bit fascistic? My own God-like politics tend to waver between George II and Sun Yat Sen.
As for "affordable racing"(finally, he's getting to the point), let us look to our full-sized brethren. There are multitudes of "feeder" classes in the 1/1 world ranging from karts to Formula 3. Something for everyone. The advantage of "spec" classes is that it limits the advantage superior drivers have. I can hang in with the really good drivers at my local track for a while, till I do something silly. then talent will out, as it always will. But it's encouraging and makes me want to get a little better, and maybe move on to one of those confusingly-named upscale classes and try my luck. You don't want to run
such a class? Fine - but it's FUN. And that's one of the things we Gods like.

ED

Neal Stewart
06-25-2002, 05:06 PM
lemme say ONE thing:
people are ALWAYS complaining about the cost of slot racing, but look at it this way-
one open motor= $200
one late model REAL car motor, not even meant for racing= upwards $1000.
1/24 chassis= $15-$100
1/1 chassis= upwards $1000
OR, how about this-
ONE ready to race 1/24 scale eurosport is less than $500, AND is competitive.
ONE real,mid priced, RACE car is MORE than $30,000, and may not be competitive.
you will probably NEVER spend that much money on slot racing, not even close!
people always complain, WAH WAH WAH! this is too much, why should i pay that much for this, etc etc etc!
slot car racing IS the cheapest form of racing, AND is the fastest motor sport in the world (compared to size)
so, if you look at it this way, why complain? you cant! we are spoiled!
its mind boggling how much people complain at the price of slot racing, geeze!, compare it real racing, its petty cash!

my 2 cents worth,
Neal

dretceterini
06-25-2002, 05:19 PM
what in the world does slot car racing have to do with racing a real car, unless you are 21 and can't race a real car as yet?

Stu

Timewarped
06-25-2002, 05:33 PM
"ONE ready to race 1/24 scale eurosport is less than $500, AND is competitive."

Neal, I'm green with envy that you consider that kind of money, "petty cash."
Sure, compared to 1/1 F1 team racing, that's pretty cheap. But for the other 99.9% of the world, 500 bucks is a pretty hefty investment, especially for a car that may need a couple of those 'cheap' $200 motors to make it through the weekend's racing. :confused:

GearBear
06-25-2002, 06:22 PM
Let me stick up for Neal here. I know for a FACT that he doesn't consider the $500 "Petty Cash"!!! (If he did he wouldn't have to have a rental ride for this weekends race!)

Also, having raced 1/24th Eurosport most of this season I can tell you that with the exception of having to replace the magnets on my car I'll be running the same motor that I started the season with at the AFTW race this weekend (providing I decide to race and get blown off the track by the fast guys!)

I believe that Slot racing is the cheapest racing around. Sure it can get expensive! But speed has always been expensive no matter what racing you are in! It's a fact of life! The thing is, we all know it can be expensive to run multiple classes so why complain? If you don't want to spend the money then don't!

dretceterini
06-25-2002, 07:19 PM
but I went through some $300,000 taking care of my mom before she died, so $500 bucks for a car, plus another $500 for spares ain't pocket change right now...

Even if I had it, I would rather put a few thousand into a vintage 1/1 race car than a slot car...something like an Alfa Giulitta or Mini Cooper...

If you want to consider that being "cheap", fine..

Maybe I can get PdL to adopt me...or find all the stuff I tossed circa 1968..probibly worth $50,000 or more today :( :eek:

:p :D

oldweirdherald
06-25-2002, 08:30 PM
While slot car racing CAN be the cheapest form of auto racing anywhere, it also CAN be very expensive, depending on what you want, how bad you want it, and how much you can afford.

The common missconception is that it HAS TO be expensive, and that is simply NOT the case.

I have raced on a shoestring budget for most of my life, and I race all 3 scales and all types of slot cars. It's all about what your wants, needs, and priorities are.

There are slot racers who show up at the track with not much more then their checkbook, and buy whatever it takes to go fast. Many of these people are RACERS, but don't have the time, patience, desire, or skills to build the cars. There are others that enjoy the hobby aspect of building the cars, some of whom never even race competativily.

Collectors even hit both ends of the sprectrum - some spend buku bucks buying up vintage collectables on eBay, while other collectors hit garage sales and swap meets to find that rare treasure that turns up.

In HO racing - the parts don't cost very much, and last for several races. In 1/32 racing, the club I race with races the cars "box stock". It's $45 for a car, but the racing is always free, and we use the same cars for a season every once in a while.

1/24 non-wing cars are NOT very expensive. The bodies can last from 1 race to 4 - 6 depending on crashing. The motor can last for 4 - 6 races. Tires are a pair per race, which is the main cost, along with entry fee.

I've been known to recycle bodies by replacing the bullet proofing, I set up cars for different tire sizes, to get a 2nd "life" out of them, I paint my own bodies, have my friend Craig cut my comms, and I have chassis that are older then some of the racers I compete with!

So often when I read the concerns of the high cost of slot car racing, the examples given are almost always the top of the spectrum - 1/24 Group 7 wing cars. Yes, these are expensive to race, and you can go through a box full of $200 motors at a major race. But siting Grp 7 as the example of how much slot car racing costs is like comparing the World Series to Sandlot Softball.

There are millions of kids playing baseball in parks, as well as in little league teams, but it costs a lot more to compete at the top level of ANY game, so why should slot car racing be any different?

There are many levels of participation in the hobby and sport of slot car racing. Most racers find the level of competition, the type of cars they want to collect, build, or compete with, and the budget they can afford or justify spending...

and then they spend WAY over that amount and have a blast doing so! :D

Timewarped
06-26-2002, 04:51 AM
Nicely spoken reply, Paul.
I'm sorry if I seemed to label everyone as a big spender; I think my earlier post about 'feeder classes' says more what I had in mind. I've come back to slot car racing for FUN! I have fun on a lot of levels and it doesn't matter how much or how (preferably) little they cost. Trying to get my (as the local track owner calls them) "antiques" just running well is fun - scrounging parts isn't. Trying to get the 65-yr. old reflexes up to modern car standards is fun, as long as there isn't an enormous car-to-car differential. Re-learning the basic skills of setting up a particular car for a particular track is a lot of fun, especially when I miscalculate and take out six other guys in a spectacular launch.( just kidding)
:D
Let's have peace and to each his own. I'll keep trying to bring SCALE back to slot car racing 'cause it's more FUN trying to make cars that look real go fast.
And I promise not to dis anyone who does other wise. (I'll leave that to PDL, who does it so well)
Ed Blake

dretceterini
06-26-2002, 05:48 AM
I'm even MORE cynical than PdL!!

Stu