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SpeedZonenj
02-11-2014, 04:53 AM
SpeedZone Raceway and Hobbies

2015 USRA Division II (Scale) National Championship

Schedule:

Open practice 4/18-21 10am-9pm $15/day

USRA Scale National Dates: April 22-26, 2015 Track hours 7am-10pm

Wed 4/22/15- GT12 Amateur & Pro on the Jersey Devil- Tech Opens at 10:30am / closes at 11:00am

Thurs 4/23/15- 1/32 F1 Eurosport and 1/32 Eurosport on the Jersey Devil- Tech Open at 9:30am / closes at 10:00am

Fri 4/24/15- GTP on the Jersey Devil & 4.5 Stock cars on the Engleman- Tech open at 9:30am / closes at 10:00am. Stock car Tech opens 30 mins after GTP

Sat 4/25/15- USRA meeting followed by 1/24 Eurosport on the Jersey Devil- USRA Meeting 9-10am- Tech Open at 10:30am / closes at 11:00am. Handout Motors for LMP and GP10 will be available @ 8am

Sun 4/26/15- LMP & GP 10(the body for GP10 will be the RedFox Starfighter Long) Both on the Engleman- Tech Open at 8:30am / closes at 9:00am- GP10 Tech opens 30 min after LMP
Note: Track will be shut off for all divisions 20 mins after tech opens


Fees:
Pit pass $15 per day
Gt12 Pro $20 entry (Jersey Devil)
Gt12 Am $20 entry (Jersey Devil)
1/32 F1 $30 entry (Jersey Devil)
1/32 Euro $35 entry (Jersey Devil)
GTP $20 entry (Jersey Devil)
4.5 stock Car $20 entry (Engleman)
1/24 Euro $40 entry (Jersey Devil)
LMP $35 entry (includes 1 ProSlot PS- 4002-FK handout motor, on the Engleman)
GP10 $55 entry (includes 1 ProSlot Blueprinted 16D w/American Made Arm handout motor, on the Engleman)

NEED A ROOM? An agreement with the Westampton Quality Inn and Suites for the 4th-14th of April has been made to accommodate racers coming to theDiv II Narts at SpeedZone. The rooms must be booked no later then one week prior to the race to assure the rate and availability.The room rate is $69.99/night. The racer needs to mention SpeedZone and or speak to the GM, Nancy Carpenter, when they book the rooms. Quality Inn and Suites, 2015 Route 541, Westampton, NJ 08060, (609) 845-9400. As a guest of this Westampton, NJ, hotel, you can enjoy full-service features including:

Free continental breakfast
Free wireless high-speed Internet access
Free weekday newspaper
Seasonal outdoor pool
Fitness center

This New Jersey hotel provides corporate travelers with modern conveniences like a public computer with Internet access, copy and fax service and a meeting room that can accommodate most functions.In addition to standard amenities, all well-appointed guest rooms have coffee makers with free coffee, curved shower rods, hair dryers, spacious work desks, voice mail, irons, ironing boards, and cable television. Select rooms are oversized suites that also have whirlpool bathtubs, microwaves, refrigerators, and sofa sleepers.There is a picnic area located on the premises and coin-operated laundry facilities are available for guest use. On-site free parking is provided and can accommodate most vehicles.

WWW.SpeedZoneNJ.com

larrymatt
02-11-2014, 06:11 AM
Great turn out for a weekly race! Good job...

jradford
02-11-2014, 11:09 AM
Conbgratulations to Mike and Crew! Looking forward to the trip back to NJ next year!

New York Nick
02-11-2014, 01:00 PM
Maybe I can make it this time great news.

G1Good
02-12-2014, 06:17 PM
Do they know what classes they are running?

Tmoore
02-12-2014, 08:33 PM
Hey Nick,

The answer, same classes as you'll see running at the Nats in Seattle this year with one likely exception. Group 10 will likely be a locally raced class. At the 2013 Nats raced at Speedzone the Group 10 class was GTP bodies with a 16d handout motor.

See you next week.

Tony :cool:

G1Good
02-12-2014, 11:23 PM
Thanks Tony :)

Ingram
02-13-2014, 06:27 AM
Hey Nick,

The answer, same classes as you'll see running at the Nats in Seattle this year with one likely exception. Group 10 will likely be a locally raced class. At the 2013 Nats raced at Speedzone the Group 10 class was GTP bodies with a 16d handout motor.

See you next week.

Tony :cool:

Actually the 2014 rules for group 10 state Nascar bodies. I believe the only class options are between JRL or 4.5 gp 10.

Tmoore
02-13-2014, 12:08 PM
Learn something every day (USRA wise). Thanks Alan.

Tony :cool:

Ingram
02-13-2014, 12:43 PM
Me too!

I noticed the change when people were asking Jim which body was going to be used for Gp10 this year. I just wish they would go back to built motors. Really don't like handouts. With the current JK chassis it almost makes it a spec class.

gotboostedvr6
02-13-2014, 01:37 PM
Host Raceway has Alot of pull when it comes to group 10.

fxgeorge
02-13-2014, 01:39 PM
Guys, please read the new rules again for the 2014 rule book. Group 10 is the host raceway's choice between 4" NASCAR or GTP. Once that choice is made, racers choose any body from the approved list. It is no longer a single body spec class as in the past few years.

La Cucaracha
02-13-2014, 02:35 PM
I hope to be able to go next year.
Speedzone is a great place to race.

Ingram
02-13-2014, 02:39 PM
Yep, I stand corrected
Host raceway has choice between 2 body styles, nascar or gtp for Gp10.
I was reading a sub section that stated nascar bodies.

Thanks George, that's why they pay you the big bucks.

Ingram
02-13-2014, 03:05 PM
I hope to be able to go next year.
Speedzone is a great place to race.

Personally, I only can afford to race in lower classes and I like handout motors.

I hear ya Mike but you do realize that Deathstars are on the handout rotation

Just found out I won't be able to make PSCR this year so I'll be making plans for next year.

.

mazur50
04-13-2014, 07:46 PM
Do you happen to know what classes will be run and on what tracks.

Ingram
04-14-2014, 02:56 AM
Do you happen to know what classes will be run and on what tracks.

I wonder if they will run the same as 2013?

Really hoping to make it to this one. Hard to sit at home and watch online.

Mic Byrd
04-14-2014, 03:59 AM
I'm hoping only 2 classes on the englemen lmp and g-10 . Would like to see gtp on the flat track

wjdougherty
04-14-2014, 06:27 AM
Would like to see classes on all three track. They have a killer Gerding King that needs a good work out as well... Maybe LMP, GTP and Am GT12 could be run on the King. I know it won't happen but I have always liked the ides of running 24 Euro on the King... Balls to wall speed... Freakin awesome...

Ingram
04-14-2014, 09:28 AM
Would like to see classes on all three track. They have a killer Gerding King that needs a good work out as well... Maybe LMP, GTP and Am GT12 could be run on the King. I know it won't happen but I have always liked the ides of running 24 Euro on the King... Balls to wall speed... Freakin awesome...

How about a Flexi 12 salon car on the king. It's a shame we don't do a "production" race in USRA

Mic Byrd
04-14-2014, 01:13 PM
Alan
We are going to have an A production team Race this summer at The Garden State Isra Club

wjdougherty
04-14-2014, 01:45 PM
Mic- Using low down force LMP bodies?

Mic Byrd
04-14-2014, 04:12 PM
yes using nascar bodys we ran 1 about a month ago and it was a blast

Ingram
04-14-2014, 04:22 PM
Alan
We are going to have an A production team Race this summer at The Garden State Isra Club

When?

It's only a 12hr drive:p

topkat
07-22-2014, 05:40 PM
Any dates yet? 4.5 stock car or JRL?

gotboostedvr6
07-23-2014, 10:32 AM
Prob gonna be 4.5

SpeedZonenj
07-23-2014, 11:42 AM
Do you happen to know what classes will be run and on what tracks.

See the revised schedule on the 1st page.

Warm up race
Fri Jan 16 4.5 NASCAR on the Engleman & GT12 on the Devil
Sat 1/17 1/32 Euro, 1/32 F1 & 1/24 on the Devil
Sun 1/18 Garden State ISRA Racing Spec LPM on the Engleman, GP10 on the Engleman, B Pro on the Devil, Open 12 on the Devil

Bugboy209
08-29-2014, 03:00 PM
Hey Alan if you seriously thinking of going next year maybe we can meet up ?!?!?!? Finally getting things done again after this last surgery (#3 in 4 years!!!) So go from here

Fast Freddie
08-30-2014, 08:34 AM
So what will be the body of choice for GP10. I know it was GTP last time is it still going to be GTP? NASCAR would probably end up being a crash fest but it would be fun. I once raced 4" NASCAR on a 220 Engleman when we used full out Super Wasp motors and glue. It was a crash fest. Early 90s and no high downforce bodies.

madtes6i
08-30-2014, 11:15 AM
I haven't heard anything yet on the body for Grp10. It mostly will be a GTP High Downforce body since that is what they run weekly. I'm sure Mike and Frank will post something which the body for Grp10 is chosen. They do a good job keeping everyone posted when it comes to big races.

Fast Freddie
08-30-2014, 12:14 PM
I wasn't trying to gig them or cause any grief. I agree with you that they'll most likely run GTP bodies.

Ingram
08-30-2014, 09:35 PM
Hey Alan if you seriously thinking of going next year maybe we can meet up ?!?!?!? Finally getting things done again after this last surgery (#3 in 4 years!!!) So go from here

Hey Greg,

It's very high on my priority list for next year. It would be great to see you out this way.

BTW, I've still got a box set aside for you. Work has been all consuming and haven't been able to finish it though. Might have a little breathing room coming soon though.

Greg N
08-31-2014, 07:41 PM
I agree, they'll choose well!

But I also agree that flex 12s with nascar bodies, otherwise known as A-prods or Team prods are about the funnest cars period, especially on flat tracks.

Greg

fxgeorge
09-01-2014, 07:45 PM
I haven't heard anything yet on the body for Grp10. It mostly will be a GTP High Downforce body since that is what they run weekly. I'm sure Mike and Frank will post something which the body for Grp10 is chosen. They do a good job keeping everyone posted when it comes to big races.

Jon, just to clarify again, Group 10 is not a single body class as it was in some previous Nationals. It is the host raceway's choice between two BODY STYLES: 4" NASCAR or GTP high downforce bodies. Once that choice is made, racers may choose from an ample list of bodies in the rule book. Again, it is not a single body.

SpeedZonenj
09-09-2014, 05:47 AM
So what will be the body of choice for GP10. I know it was GTP last time is it still going to be GTP? NASCAR would probably end up being a crash fest but it would be fun. I once raced 4" NASCAR on a 220 Engleman when we used full out Super Wasp motors and glue. It was a crash fest. Early 90s and no high downforce bodies.


I haven't heard anything yet on the body for Grp10. It mostly will be a GTP High Downforce body since that is what they run weekly. I'm sure Mike and Frank will post something which the body for Grp10 is chosen. They do a good job keeping everyone posted when it comes to big races.

And the GP10 body is .... Red Fox Star Fighter (long) teamed up with Blue Printed 16D's from ProSlot just like we used in 2013. :cool:

gotboostedvr6
09-09-2014, 09:02 AM
Yay for good decisions!

Fast Freddie
09-09-2014, 05:26 PM
I ran that body the last time I raced at Speedzone. We ran GP10 on the Engleman and it worked very good.

topkat
09-10-2014, 01:41 PM
I missed the race in seattle so maybe something changed, but per the 2014 rule book group 10 is a body style choice between stock cars or gtp. Any of the approved bodies within the group can race. Maybe the red fox body is the better choice but not the only choice.

SpeedZonenj
09-11-2014, 05:22 AM
There has been questions about the GP10 body selection for the 2015 Scale Nats. SpeedZone is waiting for a definitive answer from the USRA BOD.

Thanks,
Mike Iles

Bugboy209
10-15-2014, 10:08 AM
Hey Greg,

It's very high on my priority list for next year. It would be great to see you out this way.

BTW, I've still got a box set aside for you. Work has been all consuming and haven't been able to finish it though. Might have a little breathing room coming soon though.


Its all good Alan I'm trying to see about setting up for this financialy for this trip,which is the hardest to do maybe have to see if sponsors would work ?!?!?!?

Mic Byrd
12-26-2014, 08:16 AM
warm up race coming soon get those cars ready

gotboostedvr6
12-26-2014, 10:41 AM
For g10 and lmp will we be using usra or isra rules during the warm up race?

Mic Byrd
12-27-2014, 05:37 AM
if it runs Sunday it will be Garden State Isra Rules

Rcg Racing
12-27-2014, 06:22 AM
There's is a seperate race announcement post with all the detail, check it out in race announcements.

gotboostedvr6
12-27-2014, 08:05 AM
Good deal

Will we (speedzone) have a LMP and or Group 10 practice race using USRA legal cars before the nats race in April?

Rcg Racing
12-28-2014, 12:01 PM
When your there on Monday ask Mike

SpeedZonenj
12-29-2014, 10:58 AM
The GP10 Body selection for the SpeedZone 2015 USRA Div II Nationals is the Redfox Starfighter Long

GT1
12-29-2014, 11:17 AM
Any info yet on Hotels for the Nats?

gotboostedvr6
12-29-2014, 09:02 PM
Yeah i think it was posted at some point but im not privy to the information.

If you want to save some green you could stay at a motel..

There are tons of motels within 25 min of Speedzone.
Towns to research:
Hainesport
Mt Laurel
Lumberton
Eastampton
Westampton
Jobstown
Burlington
Edgewater park
Willingboro
Delran
Pemberton
Columbus

Also Philly is 30 min away.

Fast Freddie
12-30-2014, 08:08 AM
What is the PS part number for the handout motor for GP10? Are these motors blueprinted from PS or will they be gone through and blueprinted from an outside source? What are the approximate start times for the races? Especially those on Fri. and Sun.? Thank you guys.

Mic Byrd
02-05-2015, 12:32 PM
Fred
The motors are blueprinted from Proslot and sealed same as 2013 Nats very good motor worth the entry alone. the start times are posted on page 1

Fast Freddie
02-06-2015, 07:28 AM
Thanks for the response Mic but when I asked about the times they weren't posted and as for the motors specs I got all that from a post Matt Bruce put up. You need to quit wasting your time answering my posts and get back to building some more fast motors for GTP, your going to need them.

Mic Byrd
02-07-2015, 09:10 AM
Fred
Have all the motors I need but do have to do some building but more euro motors then anything

Rcg Racing
02-07-2015, 02:51 PM
What is the PS part number for the handout motor for GP10? Are these motors blueprinted from PS or will they be gone through and blueprinted from an outside source? What are the approximate start times for the races? Especially those on Fri. and Sun.? Thank you guys.

Fred if you go to the 1st post in this thread the schedule with times were posted.

vegas
02-08-2015, 10:30 AM
Might somebody have a suggestion for hotels in the area?

SpeedZonenj
02-08-2015, 11:26 AM
Might somebody have a suggestion for hotels in the area?

Vegas we will have the hotels in the areas and which ones give the best deals up within the next couple days. Thank You

SpeedZonenj
02-11-2015, 08:57 AM
Hotel Info has been added to the original announcement. You wanna make your reservations fast so you don't miss out. I am currently working on other hotels for deals to, so keep checking for info. Any Questions you can reach Robert at the store after 3pm. 609-702-0146. Thank You

speedracer
02-20-2015, 08:58 PM
Do you have to be a member of USRA to race?

shontelh
02-20-2015, 09:59 PM
Yes, You have to be a USRA member to enter a USRA National event.

Here's the link if you'd like to join.

http://www.usraslots.com/membership/

Forsyth Racing
02-24-2015, 12:49 PM
Will the Pro or Amateur race be first on Wednesday?

SpeedZonenj
02-24-2015, 05:31 PM
Amateur Gt12 willl be first on Wednesday. Here is an updated schedule

USRA Scale National Dates: April 22-26, 2015 Track hours 7am-10pm

Wed 4/22/15- GT12 Amateur & Pro on the Jersey Devil- Tech Opens at 10:30am / closes at 11:00am

Thurs 4/23/15- 1/32 F1 Eurosport and 1/32 Eurosport on the Jersey Devil- Tech Open at 9:30am / closes at 10:00am

Fri 4/24/15- GTP on the Jersey Devil & 4.5 Stock cars on the Engleman- Tech open at 9:30am / closes at 10:00am. Stock car Tech opens 30 mins after GTP

Sat 4/25/15- USRA meeting followed by 1/24 Eurosport on the Jersey Devil- USRA Meeting 9-10am- Tech Open at 10:30am / closes at 11:00am. Handout Motors for LMP and GP10 will be available @ 8am

Sun 4/26/15- LMP & GP 10(the body for GP10 will be the RedFox Starfighter Long) Both on the Engleman- Tech Open at 8:30am / closes at 9:00am- GP10 Tech opens 30 min after LMP
Note: Track will be shut off for all divisions 15 mins after tech opens.

KVAN
03-10-2015, 02:56 PM
What is the direction of travel at the drivers panel on the Devil?

Mic Byrd
03-10-2015, 03:12 PM
right to left

KVAN
03-10-2015, 03:47 PM
Thanks Mic!

Ben Taxel
03-14-2015, 12:22 PM
How about braid recess on each track..thanks...

speedracer
03-21-2015, 08:58 AM
Did I see it correctly ? Are hand out motors being handed out on Saturday ? Not really fair to those coming Sunday only.

Ingram
03-21-2015, 10:27 AM
Did I see it correctly ? Are hand out motors being handed out on Saturday ? Not really fair to those coming Sunday only.

Fair?

So you want everyone to complete in a national championship race with little to no prep or setup time because that's how you choose to complete? It seems pretty reasonable to make them available the night before.

SpeedZonenj
04-02-2015, 06:06 AM
Speedzone will host a Garden State Isra/Usa race Sunday 4/19/15. This will be a good chance to get practice on the tracks in race conditions. Also note they will be running Jrl instead of their normal B-Production class for the Usra racers that like to run Jrl. Thank you and cant wait to see everybody. I copied the announcement and rules below.

Garden State Isra/Usa Championship Race @ The Speedzone, Mt. Holly NJ on 4/19/2015


The Garden State Isra/Usa Series is please to announce our annual Championship race on 4/19/15. This year it will be held at the Speedzone, My. Holy NJ. This race will celebrate our Champions, racers and season. this year will be a little different though as we will be working with the Speedzone because of the Usra Nats. As a request from the Speedzone management we are going to run Jrl instead of B-Production. This race will also help anybody who is coming in for the nats get some racing time on the tracks right before the Nats start. So check out our schedule below and come join us for some pre nats racing.

4/19/15 Raceway Opens 8am racing starts 10am

1.Spec Lmp $8 entry (engleman)

2.Gr10 $8 entry (Engleman)

3.Jrl $10 entry (Jersey Devil)

4.Open Gr12 $12 entry (Jersey Devil)

Pit Pass $10

fxgeorge
04-02-2015, 07:08 AM
If we choose not to participate in the ISRA races, can we practice and test our USRA cars between races? In other words, we need to set up the three eurosport classes. Do you mind if we are running sub four second laps while racers are warming up for JRL? It'll be tricky, but I'm flying 3000 miles for the USRA Scale Nationals. I was expecting two full days of set up and practice before the USRA race starts on Tuesday. Racing in ISRA is not the same as practice with set up and testing cars. This is excellent warm up for local racers, but lacks consideration for racers who pay big bucks to fly to the USRA race.

Rcg Racing
04-02-2015, 08:04 AM
George you will have 2 full days of practice your Eurosports because the Nats does not start til WEDNESDAY April 22, 2015. So you will have all day Monday and Tuesday to Practice..

Rcg Racing
04-02-2015, 08:14 AM
Also for anyone coming in that needs to setup and test their cars there will be a lot of open track time for both tracks because the Garden State Isra/Usa Series races on both tracks. We run 2 classes on the Engleman first and then the last 2 on the flat. So going by past experience the flat track will be all clear for any type of testing from 8am til about 1 or 2pm with a purchase of a pit pass of coarse.

KVAN
04-02-2015, 08:17 AM
I would agree with George. I also planned to arrive for a practice day on Sunday.

Being unfamiliar with the track, jumping right in to a race for me would not be the best use of my practice time. Especially seeing as the flat track races are not anything we are running. It just adds more prep time getting ISRA cars ready when the prep time could be better used for the Nats.

GT1
04-02-2015, 08:50 AM
I think announcing this race after many have already made travel/hotel plans might not have been the best move only 2.5 weeks ahead of time. I myself have never run the Jersey Devil and had hoped to get testing time for the vaious classes I will be running during the Nats. This should have been diclosed a long time ago so people could plan accordingly. Just my 2 cents....

fxgeorge
04-02-2015, 07:34 PM
George you will have 2 full days of practice your Eurosports because the Nats does not start til WEDNESDAY April 22, 2015. So you will have all day Monday and Tuesday to Practice..

Robert, good to hear from you. Don't get me wrong about ISRA, you know I have flown back to race your ISRA Nats a couple of times. I like your organization and the guys as a group. Something I think you might not have taken into consideration is the time difference. Racers like myself who fly three time zones, the race schedule is kind of against us. You make a good point that the track is open for practice from 8:00 to around 1:00 or 2:00. If we fly in the day before, 8:00 is 5:00 for us. We have to get up at 4:00am our time to get to the track and start setting up. At this point, my plan is to try to sleep until about 9:30 or so, get some breakfast and arrive at the track around 10:30 or 11:00.

I just wish you guys could move your race to Saturday. It would be a true courtesy to make that change for the sake of the long distance racers. I think most of us plan to work on Friday, then travel on Saturday. But, if this race date announced just today is now set in stone, so be it. It's really unconventional to schedule a race day right before a national championship.

See ya in a few weeks!

Forsyth Racing
04-02-2015, 08:09 PM
Is there any sort of membership fee for your ISRA series or just the entry fee per class? Only interested in racing the 12s

Jerry123
04-03-2015, 03:25 AM
Is there any sort of membership fee for your ISRA series or just the entry fee per class? Only interested in racing the 12s
No membership fee. Just the entry fee per class.

tabodt
04-10-2015, 09:10 PM
Just a question maybe someone can help and answer it, for group 10 I know we are using the starfighter but it says to ----
See Stamped Steel Chassis Regulations (pg. 49).
I see a clearance rule but no height rule so I would assume That we can make the rear of the car as tall or short as we want since specifications are not listed or does the host raceway have say since thaw picked out the body?
Thank you

mazur50
04-10-2015, 09:35 PM
I am sure they are going to use GTP height rules.

Mic Byrd
04-11-2015, 03:40 AM
leroy
it's 1 5/8 with .062 under rear of car on a flat tech block

gotboostedvr6
04-11-2015, 04:22 AM
Mic,

Group 10 handout 4 inch says nothing about downforce GTP body height restrictions anywhere in the rules. All other classes have clearly written body height rules.

Mr. Bruce is clarifying this with the bod as we speak.

I've mounted 3 body's on rollers this week and was not successful in meeting the 1 5/8.

Dave

Mic Byrd
04-11-2015, 05:07 AM
last Nats at Speedzone it was 1 5/8 that's all i'm saying and that's a max height . with the star fighter from speaking with my team mates its hard to get it. you need to move body forward and trim the axle uprights if allowed.

tabodt
04-11-2015, 07:53 AM
I was told no trimming over any parts of the chassis!
That's why I asked the the height because when mounted at 1 5/8 the body is resting on the motor so I assumed with 3 minute heats we would want some kind of clearance so the motor can move some air and not overheat but I guess I assume wrong. Can any former or current usra tech or whatever you do chime in to clarify about grinding uprights or the clearance and height please or I might just sit this one out. Thanks

madtes6i
04-11-2015, 09:43 AM
ALL Group 10 Racers.

We will be teching ONLY the group 10 bodies on a recessed block this year.
With having to run the body chosen by the host raceway and with the larger D-can motors the body is a tight fit.

Your body must tech in at 1 5/8 (1.625) when using a recessed block.
Your car must have .062 rear clearance.

tabodt
04-11-2015, 01:15 PM
Thank you jon for fast response and for clarifying that up for my fellow racers and myself that helps alot more with the motor clearance.

gotboostedvr6
04-11-2015, 02:35 PM
Where in the rule book under group 10, 4" is this 1 5/8" body height mentioned when using high downforce body's and not nascar?

gr8rcfan
04-11-2015, 03:32 PM
It seems clear that the only Grp 10 body covered is NASCAR.

But I want to commend Matt Bruce and the rules committee for their efforts in cleaning up a rule book that you may agree was in great need. They did a terrific job to close almost every hole. Except, maybe... :unsure:

Be confident they will do what's appropriate as needed :):)

madtes6i
04-11-2015, 05:44 PM
Dave,
Since the host raceway choose a GTP style body to be used then we would go by the GTP body rules. Last year the host raceway choose to run stock car bodies so we followed the 4" stock car bodies rules.
Thanks for brining this to our attention and we will make sure we work on the wording for group 10 bodies next year.
Jon

Greg N
04-12-2015, 10:33 PM
Please see my detailed question concerning 4.5 body cutting that I just posted on the USRA thread below. I think that we need a clarification form one of the USRA officials.

Thanks!

Greg

gr8rcfan
04-13-2015, 09:34 AM
What's going on with the on-line version of the 2015 rule book? Early last week I looked and the official page offered the "Version-DONE" Later in the week, I looked and the page offered the "Version-8". Now it offers the "Version-DONE" again. Of note, the Version 8 alows american scale classes to work on cars between heats, the Version-DONE does not. How can we be sure what's true when it seems to change?

shontelh
04-13-2015, 10:03 AM
The online version of the 2015 rulebook has not been changed since it was posted in November 2014.

Your hard copy should be arriving in the mail today along with your membership card.

If you have any questions ...we welcome them and will do our best to answer them.

Thanks Shontel

Fast Freddie
04-14-2015, 08:53 AM
I would like an answer to the #82 post about grinding the front uprights. Some cars in the 2014 GTP class had ground uprights and since all the 4" stamped steel chassis use the same rules it would seem to me that it's an unwritten and unspoken about rule to grind the front uprights for clearance, since it doesn't show it to be allowed in the rule book, is that correct? Is it OK to grind the front uprights for clearance and by how much or is it no longer necessary due to the body measurement change? I wouldn't want the same misinterpretation here that occurred with the motor brackets.

Mic Byrd
04-14-2015, 09:28 AM
Fred
I was told you can't grind or cut the front uprights and with the change you don't have to the body mounts just fine now.

madtes6i
04-14-2015, 02:24 PM
Fred,
Mic is correct. You can not cut and/or grind the front uprights.

oldweirdherald
04-15-2015, 01:21 AM
What's going on with the on-line version of the 2015 rule book? Early last week I looked and the official page offered the "Version-DONE" Later in the week, I looked and the page offered the "Version-8". Now it offers the "Version-DONE" again. Of note, the Version 8 alows american scale classes to work on cars between heats, the Version-DONE does not. How can we be sure what's true when it seems to change?

Hi Guy,

After seeing your post, I just double checked, and both the link to download the 2015 USRA Rules as well as the displayed version on the Rules Page all point to the "Version-DONE" final print version. The last update to that page was on Jan 27, 2015 when I made sure it had the final version online that Shontel sent to the printer.

If you were still seeing the two different versions after that point, the only logical explanation I can think of would be if your computer still had a cached version of the old page or link, or if you saw it using two different computers and one had the old version still cached. (I recommend and use the free version of CCleaner every day before going offline, personally).

The current and final version of the 2015 USRA Rules is posted along with download links here:
http://www.usraslots.com/usra-rules/

Paul K.
USRA Web Site Custodian

Fast Freddie
04-15-2015, 07:28 AM
Mic
I know you can't cut the front uprights as per the rules I was just wondering why it was allowed, at the 2014 Nats., if that rule applied then also. The rule for the body height measurement is great, I cut my bodies as per the rules 4 weeks ago. I guess I should have waited for these last minute changes.

Madtes6i
Was it allowed last year as one of those last minute rules we have now become accustom to in the USRA?

gotboostedvr6
04-15-2015, 07:46 AM
The guys in the know last year also ran honed 16d motors. ..

This is why the new BOD is working so hard to fix things.

Forsyth Racing
04-15-2015, 09:10 AM
Who ran a honed 16d motor last yr.

madtes6i
04-15-2015, 11:43 AM
Fred, Cutting uprights was not allowed last year and we work on things year round to try to insure there are no last minute rule amendments.

MikeC
04-15-2015, 01:27 PM
Who ran a honed 16d motor last yr.

Not us! I built 4 new setups specifically for Nats so that they weren't honed. Our normal NorCal 16D's are honed, but only to "clean them up". They are built with a .575 slug, and I run a .575 hone through them just to make sure everything is .575. But, the ones we ran at Nats were just slugged to .575...

I'm guessing you didn't hone yours either, Steve (Or Jonathan)... So, there's the top two that didn't hone. Not sure if the motor Paul ran was honed or not. I think it was a loaner from Frank Sarkela...

Forsyth Racing
04-15-2015, 01:33 PM
Ours are not honed either built with a 582 Aircap Redfox can.

gotboostedvr6
04-15-2015, 01:55 PM
Need I say more?

Fast Freddie
04-15-2015, 02:05 PM
Jon
They say a picture is worth a thousand words. I think you'll see that Tony Moore has pictures of the 2014 Nats. the GTP chassis have uprights that are cut, it's real easy to see. It's legal to cut the uprights in ISRA USA and I did that for the last ISRA. Now I have to buy new pans just for USRA racing. Why can't the little nit picky things be the same in both organizations? Have fun racing I probably won't make this one.

MikeC
04-15-2015, 06:32 PM
Need I say more?

And David Parrotta finished where in NASCAR at Nats? I don't know David, but was he there?

His information about not being able to get a .560 arm into a ProSlot SpeedFX setup without honing is absolutely wrong. You can get a .575 sized hole in a SpeedFX setup, with stock magnets, using just a .575 slug. That's, in fact, what Justin ran last year...

I asked George the same question, mainly because in NorCal we run honed motors...I wanted to find out if they'd be legal. I got the same response, however, I built some that I *knew* would be legal, just in case, and they wound up better than our honed ones...

S.O. Watt
04-15-2015, 08:25 PM
Well, if ya can't trim the uprights, do the next best thing- Bend them out of the way :lol:

gotboostedvr6
04-15-2015, 09:22 PM
Mr Colvin, getting defensive much?

Will your son be racing at this years nats? I've heard the Locals are pretty fast.

All i know is I built my motors and know they are legal, and would be happy to prove it.

MikeC
04-15-2015, 10:20 PM
Not defensive at all! Just pointing out that at least the top two finishers ran motors that weren't honed. Your post said, "The guys in the know" ran honed motors... Trying to figure out who you were referring to. In the end, it wouldn't have mattered. As your post indicated, it was considered "legal" last year, regardless.

I'm always prepared and expecting Justin's stuff to get torn apart and inspected closer than other's. That's why I didn't risk the "unwritten rule" of allowing honing and went with un-honed setups...Plus, as I said, those setups turned out to be faster...

As for this year, no, we won't be there, unfortunately. We are planning to attend the World's in Czech in October. Unfortunately, the expense of doing that, plus the amount of time Justin would have to take off from school (He's a High School Sophomore), is going to keep us from going. If we'd known earlier the "issues" surrounding the World's, we might have opted to just go to Nats instead, but at this point, we're committed to World's.

I know the guys in Jersey are fast. Justin's raced with them a couple of times now, and they're a great group of guys. We would have loved to have gone!

topkat
04-15-2015, 11:16 PM
maybe I will race 4.5 nascar and wear a "Justin mask". Norcal will represent!

MikeC
04-16-2015, 02:16 AM
I offered motors to George if he wanted to run GP10 or 4.5, Herman. Same offer goes for you. You can even take a couple 4.5" chassis if you want... We can talk about it Sunday at D3 at Eddie's. Oh... Wait... :-) Well... We'll be there. I can meet you outside or something. :-)

Mic Byrd
04-16-2015, 02:58 AM
Need I say more?

Dave stop talking smack and stirring the pot . they allowed honed motors last year because for some reason the hand out motors for group 10 where not available . so use this time to work on your stuff because theses guy are good and your going to need all the help you can get . your not going to be beating up on the poor local boys.

Ron Hershman
04-16-2015, 06:00 AM
Dave stop talking smack and stirring the pot . they allowed honed motors last year because for some reason the hand out motors for group 10 where not available .

Ummmm no...honed 16-D motors were not and should not have been allowed last year. Here is the announcement prior to last years Nats.....



fxgeorge
OK, here is the final decision of the USRA B.O.D. Handout 16D motors are not currently available for Group 10, therefore it will not be a hand out motor class. Racers participating in the Group 10 NASCAR race, you'll need to bring your own motor(s). Refer to the USRA rule book for any questions on 16D motor specs.

You can read it here :)

http://www.slotcartalk.com/slotcartalk/showthread.php?38273-USRA-Scale-Nats-2014-Group-10-Handout-Motors

Mic Byrd
04-16-2015, 10:13 AM
Ron
I was not saying they where honed. I said they where letting honed motors slide as per the scale directors post. i wasn't there
http://www.slotcartalk.com/slotcartalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=15584&d=1429131263

MikeC
04-16-2015, 11:28 AM
Mic is correct, Ron. I'm not sure what everyone ran, but I know many ran motors that were not honed. However, we were told that honing would not be teched or grounds for DQ. I got a similar response to Boost's when I inquired. So, I assume there were some that did run honed motors. The whole 16D thing was kind of a mess last year, but I think they handled it the best they could at that point...

Forsyth Racing
04-16-2015, 11:59 AM
George Russell, had to make a quick decision and I feel he made a correct one. The 2014 Nat's was a complete success.

Ron Hershman
04-16-2015, 12:38 PM
Mic is correct, Ron. I'm not sure what everyone ran, but I know many ran motors that were not honed. However, we were told that honing would not be teched or grounds for DQ. I got a similar response to Boost's when I inquired. So, I assume there were some that did run honed motors. The whole 16D thing was kind of a mess last year, but I think they handled it the best they could at that point...

Understand your points, but when it's announced publicly that build your own motors are allowed and to meet the current USRA specs and then there is no public announcement that honed motors would be allowed, that's the and A problem IMO.

There was a public announcement made that build your own motors to the current USRA rules ( and that said no honing ) would be allowed, but there was never a public announcement made saying honed motors would be allowed or allowed to slide through inspection.

That is a problem and causes confusion and hard feelings that you are no reading in these posts.

I never said in previous posts it was a bad decision to allow built motors or that the 2014 Nats wasn't a success.

But if an announcement is made and then it's going to be changed afterwards to allow something that is not allowed in the first announcement, then by all means, make another announcement and let everyone know in a public forum.

To do it any other way is not fair to all involved.

Think about it. ;)

MRDAVE
04-19-2015, 08:43 AM
Just want to say Good Luck to my Great Lakes ISRA buds and everyone else this week. Remember HAVE FUN !!!! David
Kevin and Bernie looking forward to all the stories at the next ISRA race.

tabodt
04-21-2015, 05:00 AM
Watch live timing and ustream live.
The live timing refresh every 30 seconds.

http://www.speedzonenj.com/devil/

http://www.speedzonenj.com/engleman

gotboostedvr6
04-21-2015, 09:11 AM
Can you make the live timing refresh faster?

tabodt
04-21-2015, 11:46 AM
No we cannot because the server will think it's getting dos attacked with how many times it pings the server If it was to refresh say every 10 seconds, than it would block the live timing all Together. Be thankful it's up and running!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack

gr8rcfan
04-21-2015, 05:03 PM
Someone said you MUST have clear or cut out wheel wells in all scale classes.

Page 54 states that 4 1/2" Stock Car bodies MUST cut out front wheel wells. This is clear.

Page 53 and 49 both state that scale cars MAY be cut out or left clear. Nothing MANDATES that you MUST choose either of these options.

So, lets slap some wheel stickers appropriately on the sides of our painted bodies, and lets go racing!

SpeedZonenj
04-22-2015, 07:49 AM
we are broadcasting live. http://www.speedzonenj.com/devil/

Zippity
04-22-2015, 02:30 PM
Any sound with the live broadcasts?

SpeedZonenj
04-22-2015, 07:17 PM
We want to Thank Everybody who came out and participated today. Congrats to Mike Iles and Chris Radish on their Wins today. Zippity we will look into the sound issue for tomorrow.

Slidergreg
04-24-2015, 03:37 AM
Congrats to Mike Isles! Nice car! Where did you get that?

RickyD
04-25-2015, 08:52 AM
No web cam for the Jersey Devil?

RickyD
04-25-2015, 10:56 AM
Thank you!!!