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ian_da_bomb
04-25-2003, 04:26 PM
Seattle Slugfest 2003.
Q: When and what classes?
Q: What are the body req. for the gtp classes now?

Speedshop
04-25-2003, 07:27 PM
Here are the classes raced at the AFTW:

(Amateur LMP): Flexi chassis
Falcon or Cheetah motor
JK LMP bodies

(Pro LMP) South Hill Slots Vintage chassis
Contender or Sportsman C Can
JK LMP bodies

(Group 10) Both amateur and pro classes raced
Flexi chassis
Contender or Sportsman motor
GTP bodies (O/S Mercedes, Bentlee,
Parma Magnum bodies, no USRA "big
wing" bodies allowed.

(Group 12) Flexi chassis
Group 12 motors (strap or C Can)
GTP bodies

(GT 12) USRA GT 12 chassis
C Can Group 12
GTP bodies

(Indy Car) JK steel chassis
Group 12 motor (strap or C Can
JK IRL body only

(C1) Chassis open
Group 12 arm and Ceramic magnets
GTP bodies

(1/32 Euro) Chassis open
Motor open
O/S Reynard or JK Courage

(1/24 Euro) Chassis open
Motor open
GTP bodies

1/24th Eurosport cash payout

1st $300
2nd $200
3rd $100

Rules and Info sheet will be available soon.

ian_da_bomb
04-25-2003, 08:30 PM
Cool, thanx lee. What made you guys decide to not have the big payout in euro again? And what bodies are YOU running on your 1/24 cars?

GearBear
04-26-2003, 08:40 AM
Ian,

A lot of us are running the BentLee for the GTP style bodies. I still run the Mercedes a lot as I feel it is a little better at surviving a crash than the Bentlee. The standard body of choice for Pro LMP seems to be the JK Bently.

BTW: Lee didn't state this but the

no USRA "big wing" bodies allowed
statement is true for all GTP bodies.

Speedshop
04-26-2003, 04:38 PM
Ian,

Last year Kirk had a sponsor to double the 1/24th Euro payout from $600 to $1200. This year we have no sponsor so it's back to $600. Even with this cut it will be the highest payout in 1/24th Eurosport in the world this year!

ian_da_bomb
05-05-2003, 05:06 PM
When??????? Yall have NOTHING to say when it is....what the hells up w/ that?

O'D
05-05-2003, 05:40 PM
I'll Second that. It would help to know when the race is in order to prepare for it.

Or did I miss something? I looked everywhere on OWH and couldn't find any info.

Rules would be usefull as well...
O'D

Zippity
05-05-2003, 06:15 PM
you're waiting? :):)


try here :) (http://oldweirdherald.com/slotcartalk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4023)

Slapshot
05-05-2003, 06:17 PM
I second that...
Seattle Slugfest -"The Flats" or AFTW
Friday 27 June
Saturday 28 June
Sunday 29 June
PNW amca (http://oldweirdherald.com/pnwimca/)

Raymond

oldweirdherald
05-05-2003, 06:31 PM
Seattle Slugfest - aka "American Flat Track Worlds"

June 27, 28, & 29, 2003

http://www.oldweirdherald.com/shs/SHSClrLogo.GIF

South Hill Slots
12623 67th Ave. E.
Puyallup, WA 98373
253-845-1204
livernash@comcast.net - Kirk Livernash
speedshop@earthlink.net - Lee Gilbert


http://www.oldweirdherald.com/shs/canadianwhite1.jpg

105' "Canadian White" Track
CNC Custom Designed & Routed by Wayne Halabourda
Built by the SHS Crew - Kirk (and sons), Mark, Vance
Grey Epoxy Surface - 12v Clean, Consistant Power!

PNW AMCA Rules (http://www.oldweirdherald.com/pnwimca/rules02.pdf)
(these are the 2002 PNW AMCA Rules - minor updates, as already noted by Lee Gilbert, will be revised and posted online soon)

Classes to be raced are posted in Lee Gilbert's post above.
Flyer and more info to be posted soon.

JayGee
05-05-2003, 08:44 PM
Paul,

The link to the rules appears to be broken but at this point I just need one clarification. For the GP10 race, are Super Wasp arms allowed? I think I used them last year but the memory cells, they are fading fast. Too much Two-Buck Chuck.

Also, I seem to recall a tune-up Flexi/Falcon race taking place on the Thursday (or was it Wednesday) evening preceeding the race weekend last year. Will there be one this year and, if so, what night?

-Jeff

Zippity
05-05-2003, 09:26 PM
after all, I will need as much time as I can get on the track - plus some :D:D

wayne h
05-05-2003, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by JayGee
Paul,

The link to the rules appears to be broken but at this point I just need one clarification. For the GP10 race, are Super Wasp arms allowed? I think I used them last year but the memory cells, they are fading fast. Too much Two-Buck Chuck.

Also, I seem to recall a tune-up Flexi/Falcon race taking place on the Thursday (or was it Wednesday) evening preceeding the race weekend last year. Will there be one this year and, if so, what night?

-Jeff

jeff,

the rules link works fine, but you need adobe reader.

i do not think the wasp is allowed. must be tagged contender, sportsman.

yes, there usually is a tune-up race - g-10 i thought?!

wayne h.

GearBear
05-06-2003, 09:05 AM
FROM 2002 rules....

1/24 Pro LMP
Motor: 1. Any production Group 10 C Can motor allowed.
2. Armature must be tagged Challenger, Contender or Sportsman.
3. All armatures must have a minimum stack length of .440”.
4. Armatures must have a minimum diameter of .510”.
5. Armature may be reconditioned.
6. Any manufacturer’s production armature, endbell or magnets may be interchanged with any
manufacturer’s production set-ups.
7. Magnets clips are not required.
8. Shunt wires and insulation is allowed.
9. Magnets may be glued and honed.
10. Can bushing may be replaced with a ball bearing.
11. Motor may be soldered into chassis.
Chassis: 1. Only South Hill Slots “Iso Pro” Chassis allowed.
2. Only bushings allowed - no ball bearings.
3. Pan movement may be increased or restricted.
4. Front axle not required.
5. Front wheels must be at least 1/2 inch. (.500”) diameter.
6. Rear axle vertical location may be changed.
7. Rear tire width may not exceed .810”.
8. No other modifications allowed.
Bodies: 1. Only JK GT1 or Prototype LMP bodies allowed.

1/24 Group 10
Motor: 1. Any production Group 10 C-Can motor is allowed.
2. Armature must be a tagged Challenger, Contender or Sportsman.
3. All armatures must have a minimum stack length of .440”.
4. Armature must have a minimum diameter of .510”.
5. Armature may be reconditioned.
6. Any manufacturer’s production armature, endbell or magnets may be interchanged with any
manufacturer’s production set-ups.
7. Magnet clips are not required.
8. Shunt wires and insulation is allowed
9. Magnets may be glued and honed.
10. Can bushing may be replaced with a ball bearing.
11. Motor may be soldered into chassis.
Chassis: 1. Only mass-produced 4” "Flexi" style chassis allowed.
2. Pin tubes may be added and chassis may be braced.
3. Only bushings allowed - no ball bearings.
4. Pan movement may be increased or restricted.
5. Front wheel towers may be trimmed for lead wire clearance. Front axle is not required.
6. Light weight pans allowed.
7. Front wheels must be at least 1/2 inch.(.500") diameter.
8. Rear axle vertical location may be changed.
9. Rear tire width may not exceed .810".
10. No other modifications allowed.
Bodies: G.T.P. or Prototype bodies.


To me, that says no Wasp arms period. :)

I'm pretty sure the "Tune Up" race was on Wednesday last year. I would imagine it will be again this year as well.

O'D
05-06-2003, 10:14 AM
Thanks, Guys
O'D

Slapshot
05-06-2003, 12:16 PM
Word Version of pnw 2002 amca rules.
Download zip file, unzip and read in word.
Raymond

Speedshop
05-07-2003, 03:59 AM
For anybody getting ready for the American Flat Track Worlds on June 27.28 and 29th you can use last years (2002) rules. Here are the updates for 2003.

Bodies: O/S Bentlee legal
O/S 1/32 Reynard legal

The bodies you will want to run are th O/S Bentlee or O/S Mercedes in 1/24th. In 1/32 it will be between the JK Corurage for O\S Reynard. No " USRA big wing" bodies allowed.

In the Amateur LMP class you can use the new Cheetah motor along with the Falcon.

The SMF endbell is allowed in strap 12s only. They may be used in the Group 12 or Indy car classes.


That's it. Print out this post and the 2002 rules and you will have the current 2003 AMCA rules.

JayGee
05-07-2003, 02:08 PM
Lee,

I must be having browser problems. I couldn't even download Slapshot's Word file. I'll have to get my IT expert (14-year old Justin) to check it out. In the meantime, could you email me the rules (PDF or Word) as an attachment? Send it to me through the email link in OWH and I'll get it through my Yahoo account.

Thanks,
Jeff

circuitguy70
05-07-2003, 10:35 PM
Lee Gilbert ,
Call me at Vancouver Speedway .#360-604-0505 thursday at 4pm or so.
We need to order some Frt. wheels (decals) and bentley painted bodies for GT-12's.
Been trying for 3 days to get you.
Thanks, Steve

wayne h
05-08-2003, 07:10 AM
call kirk at SHS. he has what you need.

wnh

JayGee
05-08-2003, 10:32 AM
The 2002 rules disallowed the Outasite #066 Mercedes GTP body. However, an Outasite Mercedes GTP body is now being recomended. Is this the #066 or is there another part number that I should ask for?

wayne h
05-08-2003, 11:39 AM
jeff,

the o/s 066I is the amca-legal version.

as lee pointed out, both the o/s 066I and o/s 068 are used pretty much equally. the only pse body still being used is the magnum, usually in g-10.

you can't go wrong with any of these.

wnh

ps. leave your intrepids at home this year!

ian_da_bomb
05-09-2003, 03:09 PM
Is the PSE Caddy HD #70528-A catagorized as a USRA Big Wing body or is it legal for this race? Curious... Ian

wayne h
05-09-2003, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by ian_da_bomb
Is the PSE Caddy HD #70528-A catagorized as a USRA Big Wing body or is it legal for this race? Curious... Ian

not.

wnh

GearBear
05-12-2003, 09:38 PM
OK, here they are. Lee and I have updated the rules and I have placed them on my website. To view the new rules go to 2003 PNW AMCA Rules (http://fp1.centurytel.net/TheAerie/PNWAMCARules.htm).

Now get those cars built!

ian_da_bomb
05-17-2003, 01:33 PM
Would someone post a picture of the OS Bentlee? Never seen it....

wayne h
05-17-2003, 08:01 PM
http://photo.starblvd.net/~wnhalabourda/1-1-4.jpg

ian_da_bomb
05-17-2003, 08:27 PM
I dont remember the Bentlee being so ugly in real life... :cool: So why is that little guy with the HUGE rear spoiler legal but the PSE Caddy not legal? Looks very similar to me... Anyways.. is that Bentlee better than the Magcedes? Ian

topkat
05-19-2003, 12:00 AM
the magcedes is the only body to run, see you at the race ?

holla

H

ian_da_bomb
05-19-2003, 12:51 AM
Fo Sho Glove... See you there... If you need anything built or wanna talk... gimme a Holla Holla... I think you know my number up here. Ian

Speedshop
05-19-2003, 09:55 PM
Ian, the Parma Caddy is not legal for the same reason the Parma Lola is not legal, wing size. In the PNW AMCA we limit the side wings to the Parma Magnum. We us the Magnum a s template and if the side wings are farther foward than the Magnum the body is not legal. The Pama Lola and Caddy sode wings extend too far foward to be legal. As for as body looks that's hard to control. Some people like the Bentlee and some don't but it works well on the Canadian White.

wayne h
05-21-2003, 01:35 PM
i am assuming that the smf endbell is now legal for all of the group 12 classes (g-12, irl, gt-12, c-1). can anyone confirm this for me.

wayne h.

Slapshot
05-21-2003, 03:06 PM
Wayne go back futher in this thread (don't know if it answers your question):


The SMF endbell is allowed in strap 12s only. They may be used in the Group 12 or Indy car classes.
Lee Gilbert


Raymond

GearBear
05-21-2003, 07:57 PM
Wayne,

The 2003 rules are located here (http://fp1.centurytel.net/TheAerie/PNWAMCARules.htm) .

For Group 12 and IRL the rules state "Any production Group 12 motor allowed". Since the SMF is now in "production" I would think that makes it legal. :)

wayne h
05-21-2003, 09:11 PM
one says yes. one says no.

i've already raced a gt-12 at an AMCA race with the smf production endbell. as the rules are written, it is legal. i'm just making sure so that when i test and tune a car, it is in race trim. i don't want to have to do a quick swap at tech.

wayne h.

GearBear
05-22-2003, 09:15 AM
I've been running the SMF can and endbell all season. They work great and seem to allow us to have more luck finding a good arm since we can use a regular C-Can group 12 arm instead of a short one. Before I went this way I could never find a good motor. Now at least I'm in the middle of the pack.

I think these are good for the class. If we didn't have them I would actually vote to get rid of straps all together.

Just my 2 cents worth! :)

Speedshop
06-01-2003, 12:19 AM
Wayne,

The SMS endbell is allowed in strap 12 classes (G 12, Indy, C1) not in C Can classes. If you ran an SMS endbell in GT 12 the tech man must have missed it.

Chris Radisich
06-23-2003, 01:16 PM
Is there a rear body height restriction on :
1. GTP/Ultimate Bodies
2. JK LMP bodies for the Pro LMP race

It is not mentioned anywhere in the rules, and finding out before mounting bodies would be a good idea.


Chris.

wayne h
06-23-2003, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Chris Radisich
Is there a rear body height restriction on :
1. GTP/Ultimate Bodies
2. JK LMP bodies for the Pro LMP race

It is not mentioned anywhere in the rules, and finding out before mounting bodies would be a good idea.


Chris.

there are no rules for body height.


wnh

Zippity
06-23-2003, 02:05 PM
I'm sure that Lee mentioned to me a maximum height of 1 and 3/4" :-)


Ron
(who is about to depart on his 29 hour odessy just to get to Seattle)

Chris Radisich
06-23-2003, 02:06 PM
Thanks Wayne,

I had heard 1 3/4", but was pretty sure there wasn't any height.

See you Thursday or Friday

Chris.

GearBear
06-23-2003, 04:41 PM
Chris,

The official rules are posted here http://fp1.centurytel.net/TheAerie/PNWAMCARules.htm

See ya soon!

Gary

Speedshop
06-24-2003, 03:30 AM
There is no body heigth rules in the PNW AMCA. I mount all my bodies Bentlees at 1 3/4". 1/32 Euros, 1 1/2" (Reynard) and 1/24th Euros 1 5/8" (BMW) or a little higher.

thurows
07-10-2003, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by GearBear
FROM 2002 rules....

1/24 Pro LMP
Chassis: 1. Only South Hill Slots “Iso Pro” Chassis allowed.


Anybody have a picture of a SHS Iso Pro?