GP12 mods

[Fast Freddie]

If you guys want to go faster move up in class. I also remember when INT15 had wire chassis with steel nose pieces and oilites all the way around. I quit the class when they switched to bearings and alunimum chassis. Now you want to go and screw-up BOX 12. for the those of us who don't run PRO12. Save the bearings for the PROS. When I find a good arm I save it for the big races, or put out the extra bucks for the drillblank shaft arms they last longer. Also try using synthetic oil it helps alot. I did the same thing along time ago in INT15. It worked then and it'll work now. You can also run tighter bushings from RJR or Proslot. Remember this is suppose to be BOX STOCK 12 not INT 12.

[THOBART]

add anything to the speed of the motor. They do however make them more reliable and more impact resistant. So now you have to spend 5 bucks on a motor bearing (geez get over it). If you don't want to put shunts on don't and if you really don't want to add a bearing don't. Now you have the same motor you had before but you now have nothing to whine about.

Later
Tony

[Fast Freddie]

I heard the biggest class this year at the Nats was Box 12. There was a time when that honor fell to INT 15. That class went crazy with bearings all around and alunimum chassis. Many people left the class and the support is still low. In a few years this will happen to BOX 12. How unfortunate that will be. Why do you think there's a C12 class? GP12 was ment to be an entry level class to wing car racing. Once upon a time we use to race 12 motors in stamped steel chassis and even in a class once called BOX15 because they were faster than BOX15 motors. You know when the rules get crazy the crazy people just keep on taking there medicine while we the sane have to adjust or quit and I'm about to quit after 40 years. It's a shame well enough can't be left alone.

[THOBART]

You don't have to change anything. No one is forcing you to run a bearing if you don't want to. No one is forcing you to put on shunts if you don't want to. If you want to wear out your arms before you need to please run whatever you are running now. If you really don't want shunts please do not put them on. If you read what else was proposed which was no more changes to boxstock then you will realize that you really have to do nothing. I really get tiried of the "don't change anything it is not broke" people. It was broke now it is fixed and you still have to do nothing different if you don't want to. Now let me ask you how can it get any better then that. People who want to use their arms for more then one or two races can. People who cant understand that a 5 dollar bearing (which will last just about forever as long as it is kept clean) will save them lots of shaft wear on a 27 dollar arm can run their arms into the ground. How does anyone lose in this???

Can you please really take a look at things instead of just crying out that change is a bad thing or must you just throw up opinions with no fact behind them. I am sorry that I am taking this out on you but I am really very tired of this lame old argument.

Oh and by the way everyone blames INT 15 on bearings I would blame it on there is not enough difference to seperate it from boxstock. In addition ceramic classes are more work then cobalt classes. If you figure in the labor it is way more expensive to run a ceramic class then a cobalt class if you want to be competitive. If your time is worth nothing to you then it is cheaper to run ceramic. Please remember that these rules really only apply to the NAT's if you want to do something different at your track please do so.


Later
Tony

[Fast Freddie]

You need to go back and look through some old Scale Auto and Slotcar Bulletin to see the large fields of INT15 to understand why I feel this way. I understand that the change was only for the nats, but if at the nats it will soon become mainstream. Then what? Bearings all the way and no more INT15. In time we'll have 8 and 10 magnet motors in ceramic classes also.While other types of racing are trying to slow the cars down and reduce the cost of racing slotcar racing is going hog wild with speed and cost. These are toys and we race for gift certificates in most cases. It shouldn't cost an arm and a leg to have fun. Oh and yes I do race lower classes even GP10 at times.

[THOBART]

ok for the cheap seats YOU DONT HAVE TO CHANGE ANYTHING. They also voted for NO MORE CHANGES TO BOXSTOCK. So you see you really don't HAVE TO DO ANYTHING IT IS NO DIFFERENT. Do you GET IT YET???? As for the old days of INT 15 (I used to race them in the days you are talking about). They figured out how to make the 12 arms go do you remember what 12 arms where like back then (I do). Also just of note these are not the old days. The problem is that you have to work hard on a program to make it really go (who has the time) and you only have to double click on your favorite computer game to make it run (instant gratification).

I really think you need to think about what you and everyone else who is making arguments about the good old days are saying. When you look at the arguments they just don't make sense.


Please also don't throw in the cobalt multi mag argment also. I have been running the same setups in cobalt since he Maryland nats. My car won am 27 with 2 motors (try that in ceramics sometime). I took 4th in PRO box year before last with 5 motors. Please stop what you are doing before someone who does not know any better starts taking up your chant of no more change it's too expensive or no more change it's bad for racing or some other crud.


Later
Tony

[R. Herrera]

I think what you are seeing is called in football terms, The speed of the game. I accept the fact that we will never see wire cars or the like in slot racing again. not to say that this could not be a good car to learn to drive, but thats another matter. Freddie as you know in this day and age the tracks are faster, Even flatter tracks like Mark G's new Gerding in Ohio though some what flatter will still be very fast. Freddie this is only one aspect of slot racing in this day. The cars are lighter and the tracks are just faster. You will never see a Box stock running 4.0s again it will just not happen. There is one thing that I believe will never go away, and that is the art of tuning a slot car ( which is still a race car) I think International 15 today as it was 25 years ago, is the toughest class to tune, it requires great skill even in this day. So please don't get discouraged, just stand up to the challenge and make your car work and go kick some ***.

Ron
PS Slot cars are still fun, but just faster than ****.