Am 4.5" NASCAR on the G-12 King

**Slidergreg** · 04-08-2011, 04:53 PM

I am sooooo glad I'm here making money instead of watching this. Blurrrpp. I just threw up a little in my mouth. Yuck.

**backintheslot** · 04-08-2011, 04:54 PM

USRA-Unfair Slotcar Racing Association. His *** should be DQ'd!

**oldweirdherald** · 04-08-2011, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Slidergreg

I am sooooo glad I'm here making money instead of watching this. Blurrrpp. I just threw up a little in my mouth. Yuck.

Thanks Greg, for making me laugh...

**Slidergreg** · 04-08-2011, 05:03 PM

I listened to someone (who will remain nameless) at the 03 Nats in miserable ridge and let Al Rutti run Amateur because of the 5 year rule that does not exist in the scale division. I got a ton of **** over it and rightly so. It was a bad call on my part. Al won the race which made it worse.
Officials are under tons of pressure and are usually sleep deprived. I'll cut em some slack, but nobody knows the rules better than Ron. I just don't understand why he would take advantage of the situation to win an amateur race. Whoopie. Once you have been World Champion why bother. It just doesn't make sense.

**oldweirdherald** · 04-08-2011, 05:15 PM

Ahhh.... so it's all YOUR fault!

Hey Greg - what are you going to do when you start racing newbees in your garage??? I'm kinda betting that you won't be "clubbing baby seals" on your new club track. A Pro winning against Amateurs is a bit like catching fish in the bathtub.

**Chris Radisich** · 04-08-2011, 05:16 PM

Well said Greg!

Hard to believe Ron would even enter that race. Makes me feel better about my decision not to run Amateur at the Scale Nats, even when I was eligible.

The scale driver eligibility rules are there because the Wing guys revised all their driver eligibility rules some years ago, adding the 5 year rule and some other things. I'd have to go dig up my old rulebooks to see exactly when that was, but right now I'm too busy getting ready to go race LMP, Group 12 and Eurosports tomorrow in New Jersey.

**Laura Schmitt** · 04-08-2011, 05:33 PM

well, now you can all thank Gugu, someone who was actually at the meeting that just ended, for submitting a proposal barring manufacturers, not just "sponsored" manufacturers, and any past champions from racing in amateur classes. I think that makes the rule more clear and enforceable. It should also be in the by laws for both divisions, but that opens up another can of worms.

**Chris Radisich** · 04-08-2011, 05:45 PM

Thanks Gugu

He has been arguing the hard side of that argument for a number of years. Hopefully it will finally become a rule for at least the scale division, but I agree, it should be there for the wing side too.

The argument has always been that there are a number of "manufacturers" racing that are not good enough to be in the expert classes. Eurosport being a combined class completely destroys that theory. if you're good enough to make and sell products to racers, you should be racing in Expert/Pro classes. A black and white rule where there is no argument as we have seen for years and years in the now defunct C12 class would be nice. That reminds me, I think we saw Gugu on the other end of that argument at miserable ridge...

**Noose** · 04-08-2011, 06:01 PM

I'm curious, what would I be classified?

**Joe Rocket** · 04-08-2011, 06:07 PM

WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO?
First GUGU Won the class he sponsored....then Ron Won a Amateur class at the NATs......Whats next.....Japan gonna get hit by another earthquake..............WAIT that already happened TOO................

**MacMoose** · 04-08-2011, 06:40 PM

The most interesting characteristic of Democracy is that the voters get what they deserve.

**Chris Radisich** · 04-08-2011, 06:57 PM

Gugu won a Eurosport race, so no driver criteria to take into consideration, so who cares.

Noose:

a) All drivers with exceptional driving or technical ability.
b) Any driver sponsored by a major manufacturer must race in this Division.
c) Any racer who has won in any Amateur class at the Scale Nationals must race Expert Division in all classes at any future Nats.

a) You definitely meet that criteria
b) Depends on the technical definition of a manufacturer and sponsored racer of the division director and/or national director at the time
c) I know you have won at Nats level, but the Scale Nats that these rules cover have only been running since the 90's, so you're ok on this one.

So that's a yes, maybe and a no which to me probably means you may be eligible to run Amateur. It's a good argument to just go back to one field like we do in Retro. The same mess occurs in wing racing where there are Amateur and Pro classes.

**MacMoose** · 04-08-2011, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Forsyth Racing

2. Expert Division
a) All drivers with exceptional driving or technical ability.
b) Any driver sponsored by a major manufacturer must race in this Division.
c) Any racer who has won in any Amateur class at the Scale Nationals must race Expert Division in all classes at any future Nats.

I think Ron certainly meets all of those guidlines. Not to mention he has won several Pro races at USRA National events in which I have attended. Just doesn't seem fair to the true amatuers.

Jonathan

This is hysterical, you guys... just heard this on the feed from Mid-America (and the statement I heard was made by someone identifying themselves as the Tech Director... gee... wonder who that might be) that the reason given for Ron running was that (c) above states "Any racer who has won in any Amateur class at the Scale Nationals must race Expert Division in all classes at any future Nats" and since Ron H never won an Amateur event at the Nats he could race Amateur.

Make your own judgement on the merits of that kind of "reasoning."