2013 isra/usa nats?

[Mike K]

I did not hear anything, but possibly they met there.

["Dub" Wade]

Great idea!

In reality I think you only have five groups racing ISRA-style cars (Nor Cal, So Cal, Great Lakes, Tri-State and Garden State) Are there other groups?

Why not form an Executive committee, with one member from each group, to control rules, major race dates, exchange ideas etc.?

Are there any particular classes that are considered ISRA-style cars?
I believe ISRA is F1 Euro, 1/32 Euro and 1/24 Euro. Plus Production. USRA races 3 of those classes basically copying ISRA rules.
Not sure, but doesnt Nor Cal race Nascar, Nastruck, LMP and GT12? Are those "ISRA-style cars?"

Im just curious, sounds like D2 nats were a success, why not support them and continue the growth?

Consolidating sounds like a great idea. Maybe get everyone who races in; USRA and ISRA-style cars (Nor Cal? So Cal, Great Lakes, Tri State, and Garden State) together for 1 huge race each year.

I hear D2 nats were fun, wish I was there, but this wasnt the year for me. 1st time in a few years.
Next year I will be attending. I have a feeling it will continue the trend of the last couple years and continue growing, specially if EVERYONE can agree that Scale racing is fun no matter the rule book.

Jim is a great guy, hopefully differences can be put aside for him and his race. Im looking forward to racing ISRA style cars with everyone.

I do believe there is knowledgeable and respected racer heading a committee that control rules etc... George Russell is the D2 prez.
Everyones Ideas are great, but there already is a National Committee, the USRA is it.

The ISRA-USA Rules are great for Regional races and series races and such. Great idea to have traveling series in your area. Nor Cal has great Success with the SCRA with huge turnouts every month. If the regional series's continue to grow Nats will continue to grow.

Wish I lived closer to a series like Nor Cal SCRA.

There is a PNW Scale series I hope to participate in as much as possible. Willing to drive 7 hours to participate in a series, i'm sure people in other areas are willing to do the same.

I dont think any set of rules need to be consolidated. As far as I know, the differences in rules between all the regional series are not that different from each other. They have the changes needed to make your series what you need. Therefor the changes required to make your cars legal for Nats is not that much. Furthermore, just because a set of rules works for 1 regional series, doesnt mean it will work in another.

My concussion is; lets all enjoy the series we have, but all try to meet up at the 1 big race a year and have a great time. I hope to see everyone who races scale cars in Edgewood next year! Hope to meet some new friends.

[wbugenis]

Look at the simplicity of the ISRA- USA open 12 rules and compare them with the complexity of the USRA GT12 rules and recognize there is a PHILOSOPHIC difference that is not easily overcome.
If you favor the USRA rules as they stand, you wllll not be easily swayed to adopt ISRA rules.
If you are an ISRA USA partisan, you will not be willing to give up the freedom you have for the constricting nature of the USRA riulebook.
Many pages can be written advocating for each siide, but again, the PHILOSOPHic differences will not be easy to overcome to reach a unified set of rules.

["Dub" Wade]

I dont think there should be a unified set of rules. I like Nor Cal SCRA rules, I like PNW AMCA rules, I would have fun racing the ISRA USA rules. The point is, USRA D2 nats are getting better and we should try to keep them growing, for the hobby.

For 1 race a year we should all be able to show up and have fun racing with each other.

["Dub" Wade]

The NJ region doesnt necessarily favor the USRA rules, but the turnout was good. I just thought it was a good sign for the future of the hobby.

[wbugenis]

Great - just show up and race. That's what all the east coast ISRA racers did for this year's USRA Nats.

["Dub" Wade]

Great - just show up and race. That's what all the east coast ISRA racers did for this year's USRA Nats.

Agreed! Wish I was there.
Wasnt a good year for me closing the raceway, but Ill be back in the swing of things for next Nats.
The intent is to go to every nats and drag some Idaho guys with me each time.

[KVAN]

All I asked was if the ISRA leadership got together to discuss a date for a 2013 Championship Race or a direction for the future of ISRA USA.

If not, fine, I'll just continue to race our GL ISRA series, but my question was just a follow up of the OP.

[Greg N]

I was at the D2 Nats and really had a great time. I will continue to attend them every year. I did not discuss an ISRA Nats with anyone while in New Jersey. Actually, I didn't talk much about ISRA at all. That said, I would support an ISRA Nats race or an ISRA National Series (one big race in each of the 4 or 5 areas) for that matter.

Greg

[KVAN]

Before the big flood out east, I was talking to Lou about the feasibility of a "ISRA Triple Crown Championship" to be made up of 3 already existing major ISRA events.

Mid-America's "ISRA Masters", "Lou's Birthday Race", and a yet to be determined west coast race. We had talked about Dub's race, a Seattle or Cali race to make up the 3 point races. The hope was to encourage the travel of racers between those races and give those races a more national flavor rather than the regional races they were becoming. We wanted to keep each race to a 2-3 day event, not the week long marathon the D2 nationals had become.

As we all know, talk is easy! Didn't go beyond that.

["Dub" Wade]

Triple Crown? Interesting. Like a National Point Series? Sounds way cool, maybe could encourage racers to travel out of their region.

I can picture a scenario of the 1st race being out east or out west and some racers do really well, it might be motivation to make the next series race on the opposite side of the country. Since the racer already made 2 races, why not make the final 3rd at Rogers. Or in any order of course. It would have to be promoted well to get alot of interest. Hopefully it can grow into something great. Never know unless you try.
As for rules, like I said before, I dont think rules will be a problem. I know if whoever takes the leadership and sets everything up, most racers around here don't mind setting cars up for a particular set of rules just for the series or for whatever rules are run regionally. Either way would be fine I'm sure.

Let me know if you continue talking about it Kevin.

[MikeC]

The USRA rules aren't a whole lot different than the rules we use in NorCal... There are different "Allowed" bodies... But, for the most part, I don't think there are a lot of differences with the chassis. If anything, I think NorCal's rules are a little more restrictive.

While the USRA rules might be more "Detailed", they don't seem to be overly restrictive... What can you do in ISRA that you can't in USRA?

Please forgive me... We haven't been racing long enough to know all the background politics between the USRA/ISRA pissing contest. Seems like the IRL/CART split back in the 90's... Not good for either "league".

[madtes6i]

Just look at USRA GT-12 to ISRA OP12. USRA has a max price of 6x.xx for a chassis. ISRA any chassis. USRA gp12 motor has a max price, can bearing, plastic endbell, no gold hardware, etc. ISRA any C-can. USRA bodies are different for AM and PRO. ISRA for GSI we run the R10.

[MikeC]

OK... So, even with that, what's the big deal? You can't find a chassis that fits the USRA rules? You can't run a gp12 motor without gold hardware? Different body for AM/Pro... Really? That's a big deal? You know which class you are before the race, right? Most people I know show up with more than one body for GT-12 as it is... You're probably against handout motors too, right? :-)

I still don't see the big deal. ISRA sounds great. USRA is great. I don't think either's rules are better/worse than the other. They just are what they are. I'm hard pressed to think of any racing organization in the 1:1 world that doesn't have some form of rules, and each organization has different rules than the other, and each thinks thiers is the best.



But, that's just me.

[Wallbasher]

If something like this happen it would be great. But ask yourself just how many are going to travel to 2-3 races a year all across the country? Plus the USRA nats, plus the local series?

We at Great Lakes are kicking this idea around. Run the 4 World ISRA classes (so no arguing or changing of rules) 3-4 times a year. Masters in Feb, late spring, middle of summer and fall. Simple. Run our monthly race on Sat with 1/24 ES & Sunday run the other 3 classes.