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    Great Lakes ISRA 2015-16 Schedule and Rules

    Friends,

    Here is an initial schedule for the 2015-16 season:

    Race 1: Sept 12 Chicagoland
    * Labor Day Sept 7
    * ISRA Worlds, Prague, Sept 30 - Oct 10
    * October no race due to the Sano

    Race 2: Nov 7 and 8 Chicagoland
    * Thanksgiving 11/26

    Race 3: Dec 5 Chicagoland

    Race 4: Jan 9 - 10 Chicagoland

    Race 5: Feb 6 Chicagoland
    * Superbowl 2/7
    * Valentine's Day 2/14
    * Daytona 500 2/21

    Race 6: March 5 Mid-America (new address)

    Race 7: April 9 Chicagoland

    Race 8: Tentative May 14 Mid-America (new address)
    * Mother's Day 5/8

    The 2 day races include a Sunday morning Team Production, 1/32 F1, 1/32 ES race.

    We know of no important conflicts with this schedule. Please look at it carefully for errors and conflicts!

    Greg
    Last edited by Greg N; 02-14-2016 at 10:38 PM. Reason: updated dates and locations

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    GL ISRA 2015 -16 Race Day Procedures
    ISRA USA GREAT LAKES REGION
    RULES 2015-2016 SEASON
    Ver 0.1


    Changes for 2015-16:

    * 8 races 2 drops

    RACE DAY PROCEDURES:

    * The raceway will open at 7:30

    * Please have your cars prepared on race day to assure your participation.

    * Tech for the first race will open at 9:00 AM and close at 9:30 AM. The first race will begin immediately. At the completion of the first race, power will be turned on for 30 minutes. Race 2 tech will open immediately at the end of race 1 and close 30 minutes after the end of race.
    1. At the beginning of the 30-minute tech period, a clock will be set in the tech area. Racers late for tech will be docked 5 laps for each full minute that they are late for tech. This penalty period will run until the race director has finished entering the racers names into the computer, at which time tech will close and the race will start without the delinquent racer or racers.
    2. This procedure will be followed for all of the remaining races, except that there will be a lunch break with clearly announced duration.

    ENTRY FEES and RACE ORDER:
    JRL $10.00
    Open 12 $10.00
    1/24 Eurosport $10.00
    B and Team (A) Production $10.00

    * All proceeds go to the sponsoring raceway.
    ** Please note that in an effort to maintain affordable entry fees
    there are no raceway payouts.

    CHAMPIONSHIP POINTS:
    * The series class championships will be based on points accumulated in all of the races.
    * There will be two drop races if we complete 8 races, one drop race for 7 or fewer races.

    Points Awarded:
    1ST PLACE 50
    2ND 40
    3RD 35
    4TH 30
    5TH 25
    6TH 20
    7TH 15
    8TH 12
    9TH - ON 8

    * Ties will be broken by the number of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc finishes until the tie is broken. If still tied, the tie will be broken by the number of times that one participant beats the other in the class concerned.

    RACE PROCEDURES:
    * Lane assignment will be randomly selected.

    * If possible, the number of drivers in each main will be equal.

    * Mains will be 3 minutes per lane with 90 second intermissions.

    * There will be no working on cars while the power is off. Use of tools, tech blocks, fans, etc is not permitted during intermissions. Braid may be straightened; braid juice and motor/axle lubrication is permitted. Tires may not be cleaned, nor may they be treated with any substance during intermissions. Braid changes, chassis straightening, body repair and body pin replacement are not permitted.

    * Cars may be picked up during intermission only for lubrication, lane dot change, and braid straightening. This is to occur in the immediate proximity of the car's place on the track. The car may not be taken from the track to a pit area during intermission. A 10 lap penalty will be assessed for working on cars during the lane change intermission.

    * Should a car already be in a pit area at the time of a lane change intermission, work on that car must be suspended for the entire time that the power is off. A 10 lap penalty will be assessed for failure to follow this.

    MARSHALING:
    * Drivers at the end of their main must marshal the next main, or whenever called upon.

    * The number of marshals must be the same in each main.

    * A 10 lap penalty will be given for missing marshaling.

    TRACK CALLS:
    * For an unmarshalable car (i.e. in the middle of the straight in front of the drivers).

    * Under a bridge or on the floor in an inaccessible area.

    * Becoming a rider.

    * A warning will be given for the first illegal track call. A 5 lap penalty will be given for each successive illegal track call.

    CLASSIFICATION:
    * After each main, a driver's finishing position will be the result of the sum of the laps completed and the last lap sections.

    * The number of laps made can only be a result of the lap counter. No correction is made for riders or missed counting due to deslots or the track braid.

    * The race director must check the lap counting system if there is a sustained problem.

    * If a problem with the lap counter occurs, then the race director must rerun the current segment. If the lap counter fails to operate, the raceway must provide a spotter to count laps.

    GENERAL:
    * Unsportsmanlike conduct is subject to a first warning, then to a 10 lap penalty.

    * There must be only 1 driver per car and only 1 car per driver.

    * Cars will be impounded at tech. Cars may not be touched by the drivers or pit crews until power comes on in warm-up.

    * Lane change is the driver's responsibility. No compensation will be given for incorrect changing of lanes.

    * Lane change cards are no longer required as the cars may no longer be taken from the track. A 1 lap penalty will be assessed for illegally advancing a car's forward progress during a lane change intermission.

    * We strive to run a fun, fair, affordable series. So far it has worked very well. We have tried to keep the rules brief and consistent. Anything falling into a gray area will need to be approved by a vote of the directors. Any items or issues that are in question should be brought to the attention of Greg Norris or Rob Voska.
    Last edited by Greg N; 07-28-2015 at 10:23 AM.

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    GL ISRA 2015-16 1/24 Tech Specs
    ISRA USA GREAT LAKES REGION
    RULES 2015 - 2016 SEASON
    Ver 0.1

    TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS 1/24 SCALE:

    Changes for this year: none

    * GENERAL:
    ** Car must maintain body and frame presented at tech. All other parts may be changed.

    ** Tech inspector has final decision on entry legality.

    * WIDTH:
    ** Maximum width excluding pins and tape 3.269" (83mm).

    * REAR TIRES:
    ** Maximum width 0.815" (20.7mm)

    ** The rubber portion of the tire contacting the track surface must be black.

    * FRONT WHEELS:
    ** Sticker front wheels are legal for all classes.
    *** Minimum diameter 0.500" (13mm)

    ** Exception: JRL as specified in the class rules

    ** If sticker fronts are not used, then front wheels must turn on their centers at 90 degrees to the track surface and have black rubber/plastic perimeter.

    ** The loss of front wheel(s) during the course of a race will not be considered an infraction.

    * REAR CLEARANCE:
    ** There is no minimum clearance.

    ** Gear must be level to or above the chassis.
    *** This rule will be strictly enforced in order to protect the track surface.

    * BODY:
    ** No air control devices are allowed.
    *** Body bulletproofing that extends side dams will be considered air control.

    ** The body must cover the whole chassis including the rear axle and guide flag (unless otherwise specified in the class rules (see JRL)).
    *** Exceptions: Ears at front of chassis

    ** Must be fixed to the chassis with only pins or original manufacturer body clips.

    ** Windows must be clear and all four wheels must be completely visible from the side.

    ** A number must be displayed in at least 3 different positions.
    *** Numbers must be a minimum of 0.25" high and be decals, vinyl, or painted from the inside.

    ** All cars must contain a painted 3 dimensional driver with helmet, shoulders, arms, and steering wheel, mounted in the original cockpit position.
    *** Interior must cover the entire cockpit opening.

    ** The body must not deviate from its original form as produced by the manufacturer.

    ** The body must be opaque when viewed from the top and sided except openings that represent actual openings on the real car.

    ** Wheel openings may be cut out +0.063" (i.e. 1/2" front wheels can have 9/16" opening).

    * GEARS:
    ** Unrestricted

    * REAR AXLES:
    ** For all classes except 1/24 EuroSport: Minimum diameter 3/32". Must be solid and magnetic.
    ** For 1/24 EuroSport: unrestricted.

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    GL ISRA 2015-16 JRL Rules
    ISRA USA GREAT LAKES REGION
    RULES 2015 - 2016 SEASON
    Ver 0.1

    JRL (1/24 Open Wheel):

    Changes for this year: none

    * CHASSIS:

    ** MOSSETTI

    ** FX

    ** CLARK

    ** HNR H & R - (Horky & Radkovic)

    ** PARMA:
    *** Flexi 1 853 (may substitute Flexi 2 center 595B)

    ** JK:
    *** Indy Car / F1 chassis 2690 AND 2692
    *** Cheetah 2511
    *** Cheetah 7 F-1 chassis

    ** CHAMPION:
    *** TurboFlex (with narrow pans)
    *** AstroFlex (with narrow pans)

    ** Mack JRL

    ** JK top suspension piece may be bent to ease body.
    ** JK and FX top suspension piece may be omitted.
    ** Stamped steel chassis may add any type of piano wire bracing.
    ** Pin tubes may be added and the chassis may be braced.
    ** Pan movement may be increased or restricted.

    ** Axle bearings are allowed.

    ** Front wheels must be at least 0.600" in diameter and at least 0.300" wide.

    ** 3/32" minimum front axle diameter on spring steel chassis.

    ** No other modifications will be allowed.

    * BODY:
    ** Any 1/24 scale Indy/F1 body
    ** Chassis must be completely covered when viewed from above, except for the front wheel assembly and rear wheels, tires and gear.

    * MOTOR:
    ** OPTION 1: C-CAN BASED MOTOR.
    *** Koford
    *** Viper
    *** RJR
    *** Mura
    *** Proslot
    *** Kamen
    *** Kelley
    *** Cahoza
    *** BOW
    *** B52

    *** May notch cans for axle clearance.
    *** May drill 1 small hole per side to ease magnet installation.
    *** Single piece, full height C-can magnets.
    *** May epoxy or super glue magnets in place.
    *** May interchange manufacturer's parts
    *** Aftermarket aluminum endbells are specifically legal.

    *** 0.510" diameter minimum 0.540" diameter maximum arms tagged
    **** Super Wasp
    **** Stinger
    **** Hornet
    **** Sportsman
    **** Contender
    **** Challenger
    **** Competitor
    *** Super Wasp, Stinger, Hornet: 60 turns of AWG#30
    *** Sportsman, Contender, Challenger, Competitor: 55 turns of AWG#30

    ** OPTION 2: SUPER 16-D MOTORS.
    *** Any 16D set-up.
    *** Must use Super 16D magnets.
    **** DM2 magnets are legal.

    *** Minimum stack length 0.490".
    *** 60 turns of AWG#28

    ** Along with option 1 & 2 the following are legal:
    *** Any springs.
    *** Shunt wire and spring insulation.
    *** Ball bearings in motor allowed.

    ** OPTION 3: FK MOTORS
    *** Any FK-type motor. Only sealed motors with stock arms are allowed.
    *** Participants using FK motors will be scored separately.
    Last edited by Greg N; 08-03-2015 at 09:01 AM. Reason: Removed the restriction on the PS/FK from the Group F motor list.

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    GL ISRA 2015-16 Open 12 Rules
    ISRA USA GREAT LAKES REGION
    RULES 2015 - 2016 SEASON
    Ver 0.1

    OPEN GROUP 12:

    Changes for this year: none

    * CHASSIS:
    ** Unlimited
    ** Axle ball bearings are legal.

    * BODY:
    ** All Open 12 bodies are open cockpit

    ** JK:
    *** JK BMW V-12

    ** PARMA:
    *** MG Lola EX 247
    *** Dome

    ** RED FOX:
    *** Caddy

    * MOTOR:
    ** C-CAN BASED MOTOR.
    *** Koford
    *** Viper
    *** RJR
    *** Mura
    *** Proslot
    *** Kamen
    *** Kelley
    *** Cahoza
    *** BOW
    *** B52

    *** May notch cans for axle clearance.
    *** May drill 1 small hole per side to ease magnet installation.
    *** Single piece, full height C-can magnets.
    *** May epoxy or super glue magnets in place.
    *** May interchange manufacturer's parts
    *** Aftermarket aluminum endbells are specifically legal.

    *** X-12 Arm 0.510" minimum 0.540" maximum diameter
    *** 50 turns of AWG#29

    *** Any springs.
    *** Shunt wire and spring insulation.
    *** Ball bearings in motor allowed.

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    GL ISRA 2015-16 1/24 Eurosport Rules
    ISRA USA GREAT LAKES REGION
    RULES 2015 - 2016 SEASON
    Ver 0.1

    1/24 EUROSPORT:

    Changes for this year: None

    * CHASSIS:
    ** Unrestricted

    * BODY:
    ** All Open 12 and B-Production legal bodies
    ** Red Fox ISRA R10

    * MOTOR:
    ** No restrictions

    * REAR WHEELS:
    ** 0.815" max width

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    GL ISRA 2015-16 B-Production Rules
    ISRA USA GREAT LAKES REGION
    RULES 2015 - 2016 SEASON
    Ver 0.1

    B-PRODUCTION:

    Changes for this year: none

    * CHASSIS:
    ** PARMA:
    *** Flexi 1 and Flexi 2 (may interchange pans and use Parma Hot-wing)
    *** Flexi 3 (with any Flexi 3 pan)
    *** Flexi 4
    *** Flexi 5.

    ** CHAMPION:
    *** TurboFlex (may use aluminum pans)
    *** AstroFlex (may use aluminum pans)

    ** JK:
    *** Cheetah (may use light weight pans)
    *** Scorpion 1,2 & 3
    *** Cheetah 7 (may mix & match pans & center sections; may reverse pans)
    *** Cheetah 11 (C and D-can versions, 2 or 3 piece, 0.25 or 0.30" centers and pans, aluminum pans)
    *** Cheetah 21 2 piece
    *** Cheetah X-25 (ISRA Spec) 2 piece

    ** MOSSETTI:
    *** Titan & Titan SS

    ** VIPER /RJR:
    *** Storm

    ** SPEED FX:
    *** In all variations part #s ke4000 thru ke4010

    ** GENERAL:
    *** The chassis may not be cut and cannot be bent from its original shape.
    **** Exceptions:
    ***** May grind motor bracket for gear clearance, but must leave outside portion of motor bracket.
    ***** Pan movement may be increased or restricted.
    ***** Front wheel towers may be trimmed.
    ***** Rear axle vertical location may be changed

    *** Nothing may be added to the chassis if not mentioned in the list below:
    **** Lead may be taped or glued to the chassis
    **** Pin tubes may be added in the original body mounting holes and may be floating or fixed to the chassis.
    **** Rear oilites may be soldered to the chassis.
    **** Motor may be soldered to the chassis (screws are optional)
    **** Chassis may be braced with no more than 3" of up to 0.062" piano wire
    **** May add commercially available guide tongue reinforcement.
    **** Tape may be applied.
    **** Lead wire retainer may be used

    * BODY:
    ** All B-Production bodies are closed cockpit.

    ** JK:
    *** Audi R8C (7182)
    *** Mercedes CLR (7183)

    ** RED FOX:
    *** Audi R8 Coupe
    *** Peugeot Coupe
    *** Audi R18 Coupe


    * MOTOR:
    ** OPTION 1: C-CAN BASED MOTOR.
    *** Koford
    *** Viper
    *** RJR
    *** Mura
    *** Proslot
    *** Kamen
    *** Kelley
    *** Cahoza
    *** BOW
    *** B52

    *** May notch cans for axle clearance.
    *** May drill 1 small hole per side to ease magnet installation.
    *** Single piece, full height C-can magnets.
    *** May epoxy or super glue magnets in place.
    *** May interchange manufacturer's parts
    *** Aftermarket aluminum endbells are specifically legal.

    *** 0.510" diameter minimum 0.540" diameter maximum arms tagged
    **** Super Wasp
    **** Stinger
    **** Hornet
    **** Sportsman
    **** Contender
    **** Challenger
    **** Competitor
    *** Super Wasp, Stinger, Hornet: 60 turns of AWG#30
    *** Sportsman, Contender, Challenger, Competitor: 55 turns of AWG#30

    ** OPTION 2: SUPER 16-D MOTORS.
    *** Any 16D set-up.
    *** Must use Super 16D magnets.
    **** DM2 magnets are legal.

    *** Minimum stack length 0.490".
    *** 60 turns of AWG#28

    ** Along with option 1 & 2 the following are legal:
    *** Any springs.
    *** Shunt wire and spring insulation.
    *** Ball bearings in motor allowed.

    ** Option 3: FK Motors.
    *** Any FK type motor. Only sealed motors with stock arms are allowed.
    *** Participants using FK motors will be scores separately.
    Last edited by Greg N; 08-03-2015 at 09:02 AM. Reason: Removed the PS/FK motor restriction from the Group F motor list.

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    Thanks Greg. Everything looks good to me.

    May I lobby one more time to change the race order?

    IMO, it makes much more sense to run B production after JRL , before OP12 and ES24. My reasoning;
    1) The speed from class to class is more progressive. Starting with the slower JRL and ending with ES24. I personally find the speed of B Prod less enjoyable after just running ES24.
    2) New guys, Jim Crider as an example, start with the slower cars such as JRL and B prod. Splitting them up as we currently do is asking a lot of them to wait around all day. Also, if the FK motor option has a chance of drawing participants, the same reasoning should be used.
    3) Unlike in the past when few participants had ES24 cars and we had problems finding marshals, most everyone in our current group have eurosport cars and would stay and race the last race, providing marshals as we do in the other classes.
    4) Our additional reasoning for running B prod last, was to pander to some of the Saturday night racing group which ran a very similar class. They no longer run anything resembling a B prod car on Saturdays or any other night at Chicagoland.

    Looking forward to September 12th and the new season!

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    Thanks for getting the schedule out Greg. I tend to agree with KVP on the B Production thing. We have not drawn any "Saturday Night" types by running it last. Jim Crider is the only new person we've attracted for a couple years. Chicago area has morphed into a Hardbody hotbed which is ok but don't think we will attract any of them to scale racing. I would also like you to consider allowing the PS/FK as an option in JRL / B Prod. It is a great motor and would be a bit more competitive with C Can motors. Looking forward to the new season.


    Bernie Schatz

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    I'm fine with KVP and Bernie's suggestions, including the inclusion of the P/S 4002FK.
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    One more thing on the PS/FK. They would actually make transitioning to a Contender Motor easier. They actually have brakes LOL!


    Bernie Schatz

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    I have no knowledge at all about the various F motors. I think that Rob knows them a little better. I'm fine with including or excluding whichever ones you guys want. Let's wait for Rob to weigh in. I'm thinking that he'll have an opinion or three about this.

    I don't really see a big reason to switch race order, but for a different reason: I'm thinking that many of us will be running Team Production, not B Production, and those are so different from O-12 and 1/24 ES it really doesn't matter where they are in the order. Actually, hard to drive (JRL), easier to drive (O-12), easier to drive (ES) and hard to drive (Team Prod) is a cool order. Separately, the racing seemed to work really well last year. But my opinions about this are not strong, and I'd be happy to change. Let's wait to see what Rob says on this point, too.

    Greg

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    As promised, I spoke with Rob Voska on the two points that Kevin and Bernie brought up:

    1) We think that adding PS/FKs to the Formula F motor list is fine and I will do so as soon as I finish this post. Rob tells me that it is possible to replace the stock FK arm with a special 12 arm. Just to preempt any future discussion of this: We will not be allowing this now nor in the foreseeable future. If people want to run 12s, they should run our standard ones.

    2) Neither Rob nor I see any reason to change the class race order, so it will stay as is.

    Greg

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    As we have found in the Chicagoland hardbody races, the proslots FK brakes make all other sealed can fks obsolete. The "FK" designation is a Mabuchi design element and not an abitrary name as Proslot is using. See Mabuchi website design standards for 'FK, FC, FF, etc'.

    Allowing the proslot fk also opens the door to using the JK Hawk-6 (chinese arm) in JRL/B-prod. Both good sub $15 motors with both brakes and revs AND driveability more similar to the C cans. Could eliminate early braking accidents....
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    Larry,

    I know nothing of any of this. And having motors with brakes seems to me to be a good thing.

    I think we want to be open to all of the little F sized motors which don't cost much and are easily available. How should we term this? Lastly, we're looking for easy, cheap, and good, not for motor wars with cheap little motors. If people are looking for motor wars they should run c-cans. :-)

    Greg

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