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    Definition of "Consi" race.

    Hi Guys.

    I would be very happy if somebody could explain to me the details about the "Consi" racing scheme.
    I have this very nice drawing, but it seems to me to be inconsistent and/or confusing.

    I.e. with 17 racers, one would qualify 4 in Semi-A, 4 in Semi-B, then the remaining 9 would need to be split in 5 in Consi-A, and 4 in Consi-B.
    However there would be no point in racing Consi-B, since all 4 are set to move up to Semi.
    The better solution in my opinion would be to run only Consi-A, but with 9 man round-robin. Moving top 8 (of 9) to Semi's.
    Or even better, run Semi-B as a 9-man round-robin.
    But what does the rules allow ? How flexible are this format in general use.

    The same type of problems occur at other specific number of racers.

    Also driver distribution in general uses a left-to-right-to-left etc. seeding principle. (See Consi-A/B/C/D).
    But this principle is not used in Semi. Which seed 1-3-5-7 / 2-4-6-8 rather than 1-4-5-8 / 2-3-6-7 which would have been the order for Semi, had the same principle been followed.

    It is not clear to me either how many are pre-qualified into SubSubConsi and 3XSubConsi when we get to very large numbers of drivers.

    You don't have to be a genius to figure out I am trying to put this format into LapMaster, but I need some guidance from people who understand this format better than I do.
    Any insights into this format will be greatly appreciated.

    Best regards,
    Carsten Groennemann.

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    maybe it is just a 'ponzi' scheme....
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    Wouldn't the order be...

    Main
    Semis
    Quarters and then
    Consi?
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    Years ago I was racing some series where the "Consi" or "Consolation" concept was used. Seems like it was the HO club, not sure.
    Anyway, the Consi race was made up of those who did not transfer up from their first race. It gave that group a second chance to race and to see who was the best of the rest.
    Edit: I believe it was raced just before the Main. Per your example with 65 racers that would be a long race. It might make more sense for a large field to have the "Consi" filled with the next fastest drivers who did not move up. Our field of drivers was pretty small so everyone who did not advance was in the Consi
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommy_gunn View Post
    Wouldn't the order be...

    Main
    Semis
    Quarters and then
    Consi?
    Quarters are just another set of consis under another name. Simpler to not add more terminology where not needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HERMIT_#1 View Post
    Quarters are just another set of consis under another name. Simpler to not add more terminology where not needed.
    According to the USRA rule book, consis then quarters

    65--‐80: Top 16 qualifiers into Quarters.

    Qualifiers 17--‐32 into consis. Qualifiers 32--‐48

    into sub--‐consis. Qualifiers 49--‐80 into sub--‐sub--‐

    consis. All consis using red set black set rotation

    with 4 lanes 2x3 races. Top 4 from each moving

    up.


    81--‐unlimited: using same as sub--‐sub--‐sub--‐sub.

    5. Lane choice will be determined first by

    qualifying position then by lap total and

    position from previous heat.

    6. In moving racers up from Consis,

    Quarterfinals, or Semis, the same logic

    applies. Lane choice selection order is

    determined by the total laps turned by the

    winners of the qualifying race.

    7. For Main event move--‐ups first pick goes to

    the racer with the most laps out of the two

    Semis, second pick goes to the racer with

    the most laps out of the other Semi.

    8. Choices are then alternated between Semis.

    Third pick goes to the second--‐ place

    finisher in the Semi that had first pick, and

    fourth goes to the second--‐ place finisher in

    the Semi with second pick, etc.

    9. Racers are seeded into the appropriate

    Semis, Quarterfinals, or Consis according

    to the following pattern (example given for

    Semis and Quarterfinals; Consis same

    pattern as Quarterfinals).

    10. Heats, Consis, and Quarterfinals are run: D, C, B, A.

    11. Semis are run: B, A.
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    Now we are talking.
    I will have to study that in great detail.
    Is there a reference to the official rulebook to be found anywhere?

    Carsten.
    Best regards,
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    Carsten,

    The USRA rulebook is online.

    http://www.usraslots.com/usra-rules/

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    Generally speaking, the race director has the option of using common sense as a replacement for written rules. Having a 4 person consi with 4 moveups is absurd. Logic says either have a 9 person consi and move the top 4 to the semis, or an even simpler solution is have 2 semis, one of them 9 person round robin, with the top 4 of each moving to the main. Shorter day, easier on equipment, everyone still has an equal opportunity to compete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aubin 3 sixteen View Post
    Generally speaking, the race director has the option of using common sense as a replacement for written rules. Having a 4 person consi with 4 moveups is absurd. Logic says either have a 9 person consi and move the top 4 to the semis, or an even simpler solution is have 2 semis, one of them 9 person round robin, with the top 4 of each moving to the main. Shorter day, easier on equipment, everyone still has an equal opportunity to compete.
    The USRA does not run round robins. If there are 10 racers, a vote is taken. I have been involved in four different votes for a RR and none of them have passed. they have to be unanimous.

    In a race with 60 plus entries, you have to run consi races.
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    Thank you to all that have helped me to better insight into the Consi/USRA format.
    I think I have it all mapped out by now.
    There are no pointless heats and no round robin.
    Apart from one small counting error, the usra was pretty good at spelling out what to do.

    Just to clarify, the 17 man problem is solved by prequalifying 2 drivers into main, then have two semis with 7 and 8 drivers battle for 2x3 moveup to the final.

    Now I just need for it all to come together in an update to LapMaster. Watch this space....
    Best regards,
    Carsten Groennemann.

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