Question about ISRA 1/24 Production class

[Jerzey JayRo]

Running a-prod would def cut down on the number of c-can arms one racer would have to buy ...
Good thread, like to see what everyone thinks about things.

I raced CASRA back when c-cans were slow and the chassies were half what they are now, I'm not familiar with the whole team car set-up but changing the current system might discourage the few racers we still have left .

If anything I say put bodies with less downforce on the current b-prod cars and open up the gap again , between b prod and open 12's

That's my 1/2 cent

[Mic Byrd]

If I could change anything, I would like to run open cockpit bodies like the Audi R10 in B-Production.

I ran Group 10 with GTP bodies a couple weeks ago and I really like how easy they are to drive.
Probably because I like Wing Cars, I guess I`m not much of a scale racer but I have fun.

Mike you should try Am GT 12 USRA Style I ran a Mack dog 3 and the Bentley body we use for g-10 at the Nats this passed April wow what a blast. Greg you want to widen the gap between B pro and 12 go high down force on the 12s

[La Cucaracha]

Where our club races, Bristolville, Ohio the lightweight chassis like the Bulldogs don`t seem to work that well.
We aren`t running at the same level of competition as you guys on the East Coast but a well set up X25 with a Superwasp is just as fast as an Open 12.

I am running on a very limited budget or I would get into the more exotic classes.

The JRL cars are the most intriguing class to me.
I like the way they look and they are fun to watch race.

The biggest problem we have is the lack of participation in our series.
Most people in Ohio are obsessed with the retro cars which I find very dull and boring.
I think people have the idea that flat track racing is expensive when in reality it`s cheaper than retro.
Just Natural Rubber tires on small hubs.
I like Flat Track because it`s not all about having the fastest motor but you have good handling cars instead of ****ty inline stuff with ugly bodies.

The controller makes a big difference too.

[Greg N]

Mic, I'm not looking to speed up the O-12s, they're already very fast. They just crash a lot. :-)

Everybody else: I'm looking to slow down the B-prods and make them MUCH more difficult to drive. Team Production cars are much more similar to 1/32 F1s than they are to B-prods, and I see that as a good thing. It would make us better racers. I don't know if you guys have noticed, but with the exception of Paul G, Greg G, Jonathan F, and Paul C, (and the latter 3 don't race at the Worlds except when it's in the US) we are no where near the top of the heap in flat track racing world-wide. I think that we should try to learn from the rest of the world, not pontificate about what's best for US racing. The other guys are in the lead and gaining.

Greg

[Mic Byrd]

Do they run A production year round or just for 1 race a year. Don't see any articles in scrn about A production . seems to me 1/32 is more popular then anything else .

[BSlotcar.com]

ISRA is a once a year race, and the rules differ slightly from the national events through Europe. ISRA has hand out bodies (single shell, sedan), hand out tyres, and hand out X12 motor. The chassis is off a list, used to be Champion T flex, but now the X25 is chassis of choice. and .8mm ride height at the start of the race

The British series, uses similar chassis rules (but dont have the guide length rule, IE the X24 can be used), but bodyshell is off a list (Sedans), tyres and hubs size are free, motors are from a list, but are single manufacturer (Koford, Proslot, Mura, BOW, RJR), .5 clearance. The racing is good, and when the cars are set up properly are awesome to drive.

The big advantage to me about this catagorey is that the motors are capable of overpowering the chassis, which means that the most powerful motor doesn't always win, which means as a racer I don't need to test and rebuild and buy lots of motors. More downforce = more cost. I have said this for years!!!!

[wbugenis]

Mic

You guys are getting really fast on that Anaconda - just a blip at the turns for B prod, OG12 and especially E24.
The way you have developed motors and chassis, these classes have really moved closer together.
It seems to me the classes you really have to drive and feel really different, are 1/32 F-1 and E32.
ISRA A style A Prod would certainly add to the need to drive list.
I think Greg is saying is the Midwest guys are experiencing the same thing

[Mic Byrd]

With that said Bill make JRL a monthly class instead of b pro and you accomplish the same thing you have to drive a JRL and don't need big motor either. Jrl is 1 of my favorite classes because of that reason.

[Wallbasher]

And they only run .518 arm motors. Short, simple, sweet!

[Jeff714]

Mike you should try Am GT 12 USRA Style I ran a Mack dog 3 and the Bentley body we use for g-10 at the Nats this passed April wow what a blast. Greg you want to widen the gap between B pro and 12 go high down force on the 12s

I completely agree with Mic! The way to widen the gap between the classes is go the the Group 10 style HD bodies in open 12. I don't see the logic of slowing down a great class like B pro...

[Jerzey JayRo]

with that said bill make jrl a monthly class instead of b pro and you accomplish the same thing you have to drive a jrl and don't need big motor either. Jrl is 1 of my favorite classes because of that reason.

agreed..... I would love that

[wjdougherty]

I would think if you put HD bodies on OG12/GT12 cars they would be piling up on the ES24 cars and you don't want that happening...

[La Cucaracha]

If you guys put those crappy sedan bodies on B-Production cars I wouldn`t run them.

Why mess up a good class?

JRL is a good class if you want something that`s harder to drive.

[La Cucaracha]

I completely agree with Mic! The way to widen the gap between the classes is go the the Group 10 style HD bodies in open 12. I don't see the logic of slowing down a great class like B pro...

I 100% agree.

[Greg N]

I agree completely that JRL is by far the most different class. I love them and would think that most series would do well to race them monthly.

Mic is correct that a HD body will widen the gap between the O-12s and B-Production, but it then closes the gap between O-12 and 1/24 ES. Also, then we have motor wars in both B-Prod and O-12.

That said, I really do think that my opinion about this is clearly minority, we don't need to discuss it further unless you guys have something new to add. I think that at least for now JRL, B-Prod, O-12, and 1/24 ES will remain the core classes in US flat track racing.

Greg